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pinman 21-04-09 10:16 PM

MOT failure
 
hi peeps. 04 sv650 failed MOT today on a rear tyre(got new tyres today 1 hour after test) a rear reflector and rear footrests????
my bike has the single seat conversion so the bike couldn't carry any passengers which is why i have removed my left passenger footrest. But the bloke said "rear passenger foot rests are not required by law, however if they are not present then there must be a structure available for a passenger to support his/her weight i.e. a grabrail"(pretty much word for word). so there is no rear seat on the bike, so no chance of carrying passengers, but he wants to see a grab rail or 2 footrests for the passengers i will not be carrying!!!!

anybody had same thing on there MOT test?

hovis 21-04-09 10:21 PM

Re: MOT failure
 
he sounds a right muppet.

mine passed last week with a cowl and no rear footpegs or grabrail

where are you?

as someone may be able to recomed somewhere

Woz 21-04-09 10:31 PM

Re: MOT failure
 
So what if the bike is designed as a single seater? Sounds like he needs to re-train.

There's an MOT station near me that mainly does cars but will do bikes to fill time. One of my bikes failed because there was a hole in the exhaust. On closer inspection when I got home, it was the bloody drain hole. Gave it a clean and took it back two days later. Told the bloke it was a new one and he passed it :confused: Go figure.

The moral... find a bike friendly MOT station.

Jamiebridges123 21-04-09 10:37 PM

Re: MOT failure
 
It is not a legal requirement to have rear footpegs. The guy is a moron and I'd strongly express your feelings and then go elsewhere. This is not a proper bike MOT centre I take it..?

pinman 21-04-09 10:49 PM

Re: MOT failure
 
i got it tested in coventry and the re-test is free. i knew it would need tyres so knew i would have to go back to the test centre anyway so only gotta fit my rear seat. thing is it only tests motorbikes so how many bikes must he see in the exact condition? $(£% it, at least there was nothing really wrong with it. he recieted it like he's told people hundreds of times so god know. maybe it was because i had a footrest on one side but not the other? he also mentioned a rear reflector but would put one on the registration plate for free.

PS the avon storms i put on today rock. 195 fitted. million times better than the knackered old d220's that had a plug in and some of the canvas was visible down the centre. doh

dizzyblonde 21-04-09 10:53 PM

Re: MOT failure
 
A*hole! Take it elsewhere. I got a single seat cowl on one of my bikes and no footrests or grabrail, passes its MOT no probs.....even when it had a seat and no pegs.

Richie 21-04-09 11:36 PM

Re: MOT failure
 
Your Bike
Has been incorrectly failed:
Complete appeal form VT17 available from any MOT test station or ring our enquiry line, *0300 123 9000. Your appeal must be received within 14 working days of the test and we will require a full test fee from you. We will then offer an appointment within five days to re-check your vehicle. If your appeal is successful some or all of the test fee will be refunded to you.


taken from this web page stright from VOSA...

oh..
and the Check List that they go by.


FG1 22-04-09 06:06 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Go back and demand a refund as they are acting outside of the law. Then take it elsewhere. If they refuse to refund you then tell them you will go down the appeal route and it could possibly affect them more.

Dave20046 22-04-09 08:07 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richie (Post 1877520)
Your Bike
Has been incorrectly failed:
Complete appeal form VT17 available from any MOT test station or ring our enquiry line, *0300 123 9000. Your appeal must be received within 14 working days of the test and we will require a full test fee from you. We will then offer an appointment within five days to re-check your vehicle. If your appeal is successful some or all of the test fee will be refunded to you.


taken from this web page stright from VOSA...

oh..
and the Check List that they go by.


+1
they can only test what is fitted, there is nothing unroadworthy about a bike without pillion pegs

SoulKiss 22-04-09 08:12 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pinman (Post 1877412)
hi peeps. 04 sv650 failed MOT today on a rear tyre(got new tyres today 1 hour after test) a rear reflector and rear footrests????
my bike has the single seat conversion so the bike couldn't carry any passengers which is why i have removed my left passenger footrest. But the bloke said "rear passenger foot rests are not required by law, however if they are not present then there must be a structure available for a passenger to support his/her weight i.e. a grabrail"(pretty much word for word). so there is no rear seat on the bike, so no chance of carrying passengers, but he wants to see a grab rail or 2 footrests for the passengers i will not be carrying!!!!

anybody had same thing on there MOT test?

Phone the Dept of Transport and get this guys license to do MOTs revoked.

If you are carrying a pillion you NEED to have footrests and a proper seat, you DONT need grabrails.

plowsie 22-04-09 08:15 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Richie, that checklist is a big help mate :thumbsup:

Dave20046 22-04-09 08:16 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
yup he had it the wrong way round and anyway you weren't carrying a pillion :-?

Paws 22-04-09 09:54 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Actually it is a failure, see here:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_620.htm

Thats a offical UK bike mot testers "bible"
It all depends on how strict your mot tester is im afraid, so the guys only doing his job.

If youve only removed ONE footpeg, hes failed you as you still have one on the bike-either remove both footpegs or put pillion seat on for mot

plowsie 22-04-09 09:56 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paws (Post 1877758)
Actually it is a failure, see here:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_620.htm

Thats a offical UK bike mot testers "bible"
It all depends on how strict your mot tester is im afraid, so the guys only doing his job

But been a c0ck bout it ;)

Dave20046 22-04-09 09:58 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paws (Post 1877758)
Actually it is a failure, see here:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_620.htm

Thats a offical UK bike mot testers "bible"
It all depends on how strict your mot tester is im afraid, so the guys only doing his job.

If youve only removed ONE footpeg, hes failed you as you still have one on the bike-either remove both footpegs or put pillion seat on for mot

it's got a seat cowl on it isn't intended to carry a pillion

Paws 22-04-09 09:58 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulKiss (Post 1877647)
Phone the Dept of Transport and get this guys license to do MOTs revoked.
.

:rolleyes: yes because the guy obvs isn't doing his correct job and letting bikes through that actually should fail :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Paws 22-04-09 09:59 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1877764)
it's got a seat cowl on it isn't intended to carry a pillion


Doesnt matter, footpegs need to be removed complety, same as lights-if they are there but not in use the switched need to be taped over or it would fail (i used to work in a MOT station that did car & bike mot's)

Dave20046 22-04-09 10:00 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paws (Post 1877767)
Doesnt matter, footpegs need to be removed complety, same as lights-if they are there but not in use the switched need to be taped over or it would fail (i used to work in a MOT station that did car & bike mot's)

oops didn't notice he'd only removed ONE peg :rolleyes:

Paws 22-04-09 10:01 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by plowsie (Post 1877760)
But been a c0ck bout it ;)

Ever thought that they may have been due a vist from VOSA? ask Matt aka treacle-he's a mot tester and will tell you guys the reality, 99% of the time they dont WANT to fail your car/bike but they dont know if its someone from vosa either doing a spot check or could be waiting down the road to check vechiles coming in/out after theyve been tested-if theyve passed something they shouldnt have then vosa will re-voke their licence to do MOT's

plowsie 22-04-09 10:02 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1877769)
oops didn't notice he'd only removed ONE peg :rolleyes:

And we all know, with a seat cowl and one footpeg left on to keep ya exhaust up, he's still gonna carry a pillion...

I'm sorry but I don't care what that article says Laura, thats just feckin tosh!

Dave20046 22-04-09 10:02 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
hense why you find an mot tester and make your face familiar

Paws 22-04-09 10:02 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1877769)
oops didn't notice he'd only removed ONE peg :rolleyes:

Yup its naff i know but just posted above as to why the guy MAY have failed it.

Dave20046 22-04-09 10:03 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by plowsie (Post 1877774)
And we all know, with a seat cowl and one footpeg left on to keep ya exhaust up, he's still gonna carry a pillion...

I'm sorry but I don't care what that article says Laura, thats just feckin tosh!

I would lol

Paws 22-04-09 10:04 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1877775)
hense why you find an mot tester and make your face familiar

Its getting hard now though as vosa are doing alot more random spot checks so the mot guys are getting less willing to pass stuff they used to, dreading it when it comes to my 675 having her first MOT as she wont pass with her race can/system so gotto mess around putting standard back on

Dave20046 22-04-09 10:05 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
I thought treacle was a tester ???

Paws 22-04-09 10:05 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by plowsie (Post 1877774)
And we all know, with a seat cowl and one footpeg left on to keep ya exhaust up, he's still gonna carry a pillion...

I'm sorry but I don't care what that article says Laura, thats just feckin tosh!


Rules are rules, you may not like it but they guy was only doing his job and whya vosa tell them to fail things on :rolleyes:

Paws 22-04-09 10:06 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1877780)
I thought treacle was a tester ???

He is, car one though :thumbdown:

SoulKiss 22-04-09 10:07 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Well its a stupid rule but.........

Answer would be to either get a can-hanger to replace the peg, or maybe he can knock out the pivot pin on his existing footrest, removing the footpeg so making it into just a hanger......

plowsie 22-04-09 10:08 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Are VOSA paying for my new can hanger then? :-P

Paws 22-04-09 10:09 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulKiss (Post 1877784)
Well its a stupid rule but.........

Answer would be to either get a can-hanger to replace the peg, or maybe he can knock out the pivot pin on his existing footrest, removing the footpeg so making it into just a hanger......

:D Thats what id do :cool: (iirc i think thats what i did on my first two sv's lol)

Paws 22-04-09 10:10 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by plowsie (Post 1877787)
Are VOSA paying for my new can hanger then? :-P

Have a word with Rad ;) , i know his mot guy is slightly more "open minded" about small stuff like that ;) (or used to be when i had my first curvy)

plowsie 22-04-09 10:12 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paws (Post 1877793)
Have a word with Rad mate, i know his mot guy is slightly more "open minded" about small stuff like that ;)

Yeah, **********, gotta actually get my bike in a fit state first. That means a straight wheel and a speeedo for starters :smt016

Dave20046 22-04-09 10:14 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
might be worth not naming them on the open forum as 'dodgy' ....

Paws 22-04-09 10:17 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 1877798)
might be worth not naming them on the open forum as 'dodgy' ....

slightly edited my post lol, but tbh it is hard to find "dodgy" mot guys round here now- i know when i had my first sv i could get it passed with full race system on and all they would say was "its abit loud", somehow i know thats NOT going to be the case with the 675 LOL

plowsie 22-04-09 10:20 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paws (Post 1877801)
they would say was "its abit loud"

You mean your Akro system?

I have no chance if that was classed as a bit loud :lol: That was quiet :smt108

Paws 22-04-09 10:22 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by plowsie (Post 1877812)
You mean your Akro system?

I have no chance if that was classed as a bit loud :lol: That was quiet :smt108

That was loud when fully warmed up, but no where no as ear bleeding loud as the 675 is, can you not put baffle in yours?

Dave20046 22-04-09 10:22 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
I meant plowsie who named the company

jamesterror 22-04-09 10:35 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pinman (Post 1877464)
i got it tested in coventry and the re-test is free. i knew it would need tyres so knew i would have to go back to the test centre anyway so only gotta fit my rear seat. thing is it only tests motorbikes so how many bikes must he see in the exact condition? $(£% it, at least there was nothing really wrong with it. he recieted it like he's told people hundreds of times so god know. maybe it was because i had a footrest on one side but not the other? he also mentioned a rear reflector but would put one on the registration plate for free.

PS the avon storms i put on today rock. 195 fitted. million times better than the knackered old d220's that had a plug in and some of the canvas was visible down the centre. doh

If you can get over to Nuneaton easily and know where One Stop Bikes is (Attleborough Industrial Est) I'd go there, friendly bunch of blokes.

ogden 22-04-09 10:49 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FG1 (Post 1877575)
Go back and demand a refund as they are acting outside of the law. Then take it elsewhere. If they refuse to refund you then tell them you will go down the appeal route and it could possibly affect them more.

And threaten to kill their firstborn.

Always worked for me.

Viney 22-04-09 11:28 AM

Re: MOT failure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pinman (Post 1877412)
hi peeps. 04 sv650 failed MOT today on a rear tyre(got new tyres today 1 hour after test) a rear reflector and rear footrests????
my bike has the single seat conversion so the bike couldn't carry any passengers which is why i have removed my left passenger footrest. But the bloke said "rear passenger foot rests are not required by law, however if they are not present then there must be a structure available for a passenger to support his/her weight i.e. a grabrail"(pretty much word for word). so there is no rear seat on the bike, so no chance of carrying passengers, but he wants to see a grab rail or 2 footrests for the passengers i will not be carrying!!!!

anybody had same thing on there MOT test?

I had it when i i had a seat and one footrest (Well the hanger was there, but the foot peg had fallen off) and failed on that. Having re-read your post, it probably failed as it only had 1 foot reat. If you took both off and had a seat cowl then it would have passed. Its being pedantic, but mine on it was the same, but did have the seat on. Its the same that its not a legal requirement to have a spare wheel on a car, but if its there it has to be legal! Pedantic, but correct im affraid!


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