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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ie-desert.html

and for what its worth i support this decision fully, only i'd crucify him then behead him.

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I don't agree with the death penalty, period.

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Death is too good for someone like that anyway (assuming it really was him...)

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I have said this before, I will discuss the death penalty openly and freely once we have a justice system with 0% wrongful convictions.

Jambo

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i fully support the deathof this person, its horrible behaviour and they shouldnt be alowed to carry on living having severly damaged the mental stabilty of the victims, each of his victims will serve a life sentance with the memory of it going with them to their grave at least they will have some comfort knowing he wont be able to do it to any other children,

edit: having thought about it i dont agree with the public display of the decapitated body its wrong imo

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Well Im against the death penalty.
I also dont have much confidence in the accuracy of most judicial systems,and that would include the Saudi system.
Having said that theres always an exception to prove the rule-----?

Oh,but displaying decapitated crucified bodies in public is barbarism,and worryingly brings me back to points made above.

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Well, semi-related to that, punishment is also supposed to have a warning effect to prevent more crime, and you have to admit that in Britain currently there seems to be very little eveidence of strong punishment and very little evidence of criminals ever being afraid of the repurcussions. Having said that, crucifying a beheaded body is fairly gruesome...

I do support death penalty if you can be 100% sure of guilt. Whether that is possible is debatable.

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Make the **** suffer!

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If you were one of the parents I say yes,

I have to say also, how did he pick up so many kids from school?, as young as three!!! my eldest has started school this year and we always pick her up can't imagine not doing so, maybe it's not so serious over there given the deterent, some times examples have to be made for these people who commit such crimes.

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Agree with Warthog, if 100% guilt can be proven, I agree..

Are they're crime levels for crimes which result in hasrh/executeable(sp) punishments lower or higher than ours? I would hazard a guess at much lower, but thats just a guess..

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Assuming that the man's guilt is without question, then I think the death penalty is justified. As for the way it is done and whether it is in public or not, I'm undecided on.
It does need to serve as a deterrent, so perhaps it should be gruesome.

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Hmmmmm, I don't really know where my views stand on this one. It's a tricky one.

If, for debate purposes only, we assume that yes this man is the guilty man and that it has been proven beyond doubt, then I think I do agree with the death penalty. Mainly, and not so much as a punishment, because I don't believe people who commit such acts can be successfully rehabilitated.

I believe that people that commit these acts will continue to do so in 10,15,20 years time whe released from prison. So for the sole purpose of taking one monster away, and as a result, taking any victims he would have had away, then I agree with the death penalty.

However, I do not agree with it as a punishment in these type of crimes. What kind of punishment is that? They are not going to get much suffering out of it? I think people who commit crimes like these should have to suffer ever day of their lives. Maybe then, and only then, will they have a tiny idea of what their victims suffer each day.

I dunno. It's a hard one.

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as a parent i think that those found guilty of this offence should be shown no mercy, and that they should be dealt with in public so as to let others who think the same know whats gonna happen when their caught.

For those who are against the death penalty i respect your opinion , but if not death how would you punish those responsible for this horrific crime?bear in mind this guy was only caught because he was going to do it again,put yourself in the position of the three year old, raped, beaten, and left to die in the middle of a desert-what more horrible situation could that child have been subjected to?

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Castration, drawn, crucified, quartered then beheaded.

Seems like a fitting punishment..

I can't think of any crime I hate more, murder is more acceptable than paedofilia. It's disgusting, how can anyone enjoy it? If anyone says it's down to them not being mentally stable, it's not, they are just scum, I don't give a doss, that's not an excuse and they should be severly punished.

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I don't agree with the death penalty irrespective of how flawless the judicial system may be.

For horrendous crimes then it should be life in jail. And not a cosy jail. A bed, a chair, basic food and hard labour. No TV, colour or otherwise, no recreation time, no visits - bed breakfast and work.

For lesser crimes I'd scale the sentences appropriately, and the hard labour. For a repeat offender, sorry you had your chance, double sentence. Third strike and its life.

No paroles. A tariff for the crime, and that's what would be served.

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+1

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To people here in such a lenient country something like this seems very shocking. It doesn't surprise me at all, my father worked in Saudi Arabia for many years, and even if caught drinking you'd have a fitting punishment. They had jewellery shops that had gold dangling from ceilings, would you attempt to steal it if the penalty was to have your right hand chopped off? No didn't think so.

So for me, its not shocking, and for a country that appears so draconian to some it seems a fitting punishment in my eyes.

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The point here is that some sick b@st@rd left a toddler to die in the desert. If I ever caught that person i'd keep the *&%$er alive just so I could torture him for the rest of his days. It's just unbelievably sick. Imagine being that kid.

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Now, I'm going to throw something else into the pot, and by doing so I'm no way condoning paedophilia.

Not that many decades ago, homosexuality was thought upon as being disgusting and perverted and was indeed illegal. Nowdays it is acceptable and I believe it has even been proven that it is due to the genetic make up of individuals. In future, will we find that the attitude to paedophillia changes.

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Woah! You're throwing the cat among the pigeons there!

Although you have said you don't condone it, I don't really think it is right to put homosexuality and paedophilia in a sort of comparitive sentence like that...

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I agree with MBK here. Homosexuality is 2 consenting adults. Completely different thing. It's like saying we'll eventually come to accept rape & murder. I think not.

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I'm with you mate. Death is too quick and too humane for this kind of scum. let them suffer like they made their victims suffer.

Only thing this story proves tho is that NOTHING is a deterrent to some scumbags. he knew full well what his punishment would be in that country yet still committed the crimes (allegedly).

the only time i'm in favour of the death penalty is when the perp is caught in the act or running away from it etc, ie ABSOLUTELY no doubt, none of this beyond reasonable doubt stuff for me.

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homosexual rape = rape = wrong
rape of a minor = peodophillia = wrong
consensual sex of adults = right

its not really something you can compare, rape of an adult is about as close as you can get to that of peodophillia, its nonconsensual sex, yes it may be the genetic make up of these people but the same could be siad of rapists thiefs murderers and any other criminal

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if a guys guilty of a crime like this against a minor, i say dont let a judge sentce them let the family of the victim,, if they want hard labour or death its their choice due to there beliefs and consitution, me i.d ask to be left in a room for 24hrs with the evil **** and they could have the pieces that were left afterwards

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Can I ask are you a parent????

Judging from your statement I assume not. I`ve never heard anything so ridiculous.... Homosexuals consent to a sexual act, young children do not and cannot consent so it is therefore rape and far worse than rape in my view. I actually see the law regarding paedophillia becoming more strict. The sentences handed out are so ridiculous that they have to be toughened up... make em tougher and we might see the statistics drop.

As for the death penalty.... if it is proven without a shadow of a doubt then in this particular scenario yes I agree with the sentence.

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Personally, I'm against the death sentence, simply because no justice system is perfect. Every so often we hear about cases where modern DNA evidence has shown that someone previously convicted was innocent. If we'd had the death sentence it would have been too late.

The debate about the function(s) of prison is much more interesting. Which of the following is prison supposed to provide?

* Detention (preventing someone from committing offenses)
* Deterrence (detering other possible offenders)
* Rehabilitation (preventing future offences by prisoners)
* Revenge (victims seeing justice is being done)
* Deprivation (deterring future offenses by prisoners)

Something of an ethical minefield where knee-jerk reactions like "hanging's too good for 'em" don't fit very well. Indeed, the whole concept of Justice is pretty darn subjective.

Just my opinions,

Keith.

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Madness, these weren't nearly legal teenagers, this were young children and toddlers.

If society evolves to accept paedofiles and their 'pratices', then we have some serious problems.

I know you are not condoning it, as it is impossible, but think about what you said mate.

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I totally agree with the death penalty.

I also agree with an 'eye for an eye' policy. This paedophile should not be beheaded, he should have the same thing done to him as he did to that poor child that died out in the desert.

He should be raped and then left to die of dehydration. If he thinks the child can cope with the pain, then surely he should be able to cope...

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I totally agree to the death penalty. If this sad b*****d was going to leave the child in the desert then they should tie him down in the middle of the desert and leave him there to die a painful but very very slow death just like he wanted this child to

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I knew that would get some reactions!

As I said previously , I in no way condone paedophilia, I believe it's the sickest, most evil thing that an adult can do against a child. What I was trying to provoke, which I obviously failed to do, is a little thought that, if paedophilia is in some way genetic, and that paedophiles cannot control thier sick cravings, does that automatically give us the right to kill them.

In answer to Speedy Claires question, No I'm not a parent, I wouldn't want to bring a child into the sort of world that we live in today. I world where they are taught not to trust and to be afraid, a world with little tolerance. But just because I'm not a parent that doesn't make me any less horrified by this story than someone who is a parent. I know what I'd do if it was my child, it would involve kidnap, petrol, a human bonfire and a long agonising death.

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Yes.

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Like I said in my original post, if killing them stops them harming more children then yes, I think I would agree with a death sentence.

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if he did it then yes he should be burnt alive

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I'm playing devils advocate again here, but surely more children are harmed by drugs than paedophiles, so do we kill all drug dealers?

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madness i can see what your getting at with your original comment but in no way can you compare a drug dealer with a childabuser/murder-the later gains sexual satisfaction from objecting a child to horrific abuse-whether this is a genetic characteristic(sp) or not makes no difference-it is not an excuse-if you have a dog which attacks everything and anything you do the right thing and get it chapped, if a wild animal attacks humans it gets chapped-i see no difference between the behaviour of animals and that of humans, and therefore i given the choice would treat both the same and gladly carryout the punishment.

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Wow, I can't really get your comparisons on this issue at all!!

How many of the kids who are addict to hard drugs do you think have been sexually abused at some point or another to varying degrees? Ask anyone that deals with this day and day out and they will tell that there are a HUGE amount of kids on drugs who have been!!!!!!

At the end of the day, like was answered to your last silly comparison, drugs are normally a consensual thing.

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Anyone against, if it was your kid, I'd wager you'd cut more than his head off...

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yes

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ps, it seems to me some people don't know what devils advocate means, it does not mean you agree with what you are saying , you say it to provke a reaction , as you can tell it works.

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Erm, I think we all know what playing devils advocate means.