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metalangel 25-03-10 06:10 PM
Team GB Olympic shooters have to train abroad!
 
I stumbled across this just now... bored in work so reading about the XM8 rifle which lead to the G36 which lead to CO19 which lead to police guns which lead to gun laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...United_Kingdom

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Following the Dunblane massacre, the government passed the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 which means that as of 1997 handguns have been almost completely banned for private ownership. Even the UK's Olympic shooters fall under this ban; shooters can only train in Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, or abroad.

Following the awarding of the 2012 Olympic Games to London, the government announced that special dispensation would be granted to allow the various shooting events to go ahead, as had been the case previously for the 2002 Commonwealth Games. However, it was still illegal for Britain's top pistol shooters to train in England, Scotland or Wales. As a result, British shooters currently spend 20 to 30 days a year training in Switzerland, and receive no public sports funding because their events are considered illegal in the UK.
:smt104

Making this stuff up as they go!

BanditPat 25-03-10 06:34 PM
Re: Team GB Olympic shooters have to train abroad!
 
I may move to NI an i get a gun there? :D

Philbo 25-03-10 07:08 PM
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Surely you either ban hand guns or you don't. You can't just say "Well this lads got some tallent, he's exempt from the gun laws". Where and how would he learn of his talent anyway?

Personally, I think the ban is a great thing. I've known three people who have owned guns, and they were all class A wierdos!

One older bloke had a rifle delivered to our work, unpacked it and spent an hour waving it about and boasting what a great rifle it was. This takes on a darker tone when you realise he never moved out his Mothers house, and was in his late fifties. This was also the bloke who would brake in to heated rants about those effin b****es on the production line stealing mens jobs... :smt104

metalangel 25-03-10 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BanditPat (Post 2224307)
I may move to NI an i get a gun there? :D
I'm sure there's plenty to sell you!

appollo1 25-03-10 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by metalangel (Post 2224292)
I stumbled across this just now... bored in work so reading about the XM8 rifle which lead to the G36 which lead to CO19 which lead to police guns which lead to gun laws.
:shock: :shock:

Why would you be reading up on guns in the first place? That is what is worrying me!!


:smt066:smt066:smt072

rick0361 25-03-10 08:26 PM
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Ban guns today
Ban bikes tomorrow?

Be careful how you support laws with good intentions which then don't live up to them - still plenty of gun crime about I see

Knee Jerk reaction by jerks

L3nny 26-03-10 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rick0361 (Post 2224429)
Ban guns today
Ban bikes tomorrow?

Be careful how you support laws with good intentions which then don't live up to them - still plenty of gun crime about I see

Knee Jerk reaction by jerks
Bikes are designed as cheap or fun transport.

The only thing hand guns are designed for is to kill other people. Why would anyone need a gun if they didn't want to kill another person?

Having said that i fired some guns when in Vegas. Great fun!!! Still wouldn't want people walking the streets with them in their pockets though. Even if they were coppers.

Flamin_Squirrel 26-03-10 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Philbo (Post 2224344)
Surely you either ban hand guns or you don't. You can't just say "Well this lads got some tallent, he's exempt from the gun laws". Where and how would he learn of his talent anyway?

Personally, I think the ban is a great thing. I've known three people who have owned guns, and they were all class A wierdos!

One older bloke had a rifle delivered to our work, unpacked it and spent an hour waving it about and boasting what a great rifle it was. This takes on a darker tone when you realise he never moved out his Mothers house, and was in his late fifties. This was also the bloke who would brake in to heated rants about those effin b****es on the production line stealing mens jobs... :smt104
Oh absolutely. If we cant use the law to attack other peoples way of life just because you don't like them then what's the point?

jambo 26-03-10 11:26 AM
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I used to shoot quite a bit, my parents still do.

The hand-gun legislation may have been done with good intentions, but there were plenty of reasonable middle-grounds that were totally ignored by the government, including the findings of the official enquiery. This found that the man who was responsible for Dunblane had been reported by 2 gun clubs as being unsafe, something that was never followed up.

Of course it's easier just to ban everything and fuss later. Gun crime's up, events we used to be very good at now can't be practiced and we have to bend the rules everytime we want to host a gaming event. Never has paper had so much legislation passed to protect people poking holes in it.

Win.

Jambo

Biker Biggles 26-03-10 03:18 PM
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Shouldnt we also ban archery javelin discus and any other sport that originated in military hardware?Cant have people enjoying themselves with such non pc stuff.

metalangel 26-03-10 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by appollo1 (Post 2224417)
Why would you be reading up on guns in the first place? That is what is worrying me!!
Be extra worried, then, that I was trained in the care and feeding of guns while in the Air Cadets.

I just find them, the engineering and thought that goes into them fascinating. The XM8 is because of its modular design - you can quickly swap out all the parts, including the barrel, for a bullet calibre change.

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Having said that i fired some guns when in Vegas. Great fun!!!
I want to do this when I go to Vegas in May, can you recommend anywhere?

simesb 26-03-10 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Biker Biggles (Post 2225142)
Shouldnt we also ban archery javelin discus and any other sport that originated in military hardware?Cant have people enjoying themselves with such non pc stuff.
The problem was that Hungerford and Dunblane were all carried out with legally held guns. Nobody in recent memory has gone out and killed 10 people with a bow/javelin/discus.

A kneejerk reaction: yes, but it was in response to a number of events.

timwilky 26-03-10 03:43 PM
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A kneejerk response to police incompetence


ex FAC Holder who lost his rifles after Hungerford and pistols after Dunblane.

L3nny 26-03-10 03:43 PM
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This is the place to go. Dunno if there are many other places like it but these advertise in all the hotels. It's about 2 miles from the strip on Tropicana, just the other side of the airport, but go in any taxi and say you want to shoot guns and the'll take you here.

http://thegunstorelasvegas.com/

Here is a youtube video about it.

http://thegunstorelasvegas.com/

I fired 2 clips from a Glock 9mm then 2 clips of a MP5.

Was over in about 2 minutes and cost about £50 but well worth it.

Biker Biggles 26-03-10 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 2225165)
The problem was that Hungerford and Dunblane were all carried out with legally held guns. Nobody in recent memory has gone out and killed 10 people with a bow/javelin/discus.

A kneejerk reaction: yes, but it was in response to a number of events.
Agreed.I was thinking more about the "We should ban it because I dont agree with it"sentiment though.:thumbdown:

metalangel 26-03-10 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by L3nny (Post 2225170)
This is the place to go. Dunno if there are many other places like it but these advertise in all the hotels. It's about 2 miles from the strip on Tropicana, just the other side of the airport, but go in any taxi and say you want to shoot guns and the'll take you here.
That's just what I was looking for! They've got G36s and M92s! Thanks!

TEC 26-03-10 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Philbo (Post 2224344)
Where and how would he learn of his talent anyway?
You'll find that most shooters are either serving or ex armed forces

Lozzo 26-03-10 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TEC (Post 2225541)
You'll find that most shooters are either serving or ex armed forces
Got any sources to back that up?

Flamin_Squirrel 26-03-10 11:12 PM
Re: Team GB Olympic shooters have to train abroad!
 
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Originally Posted by simesb (Post 2225165)
The problem was that Hungerford and Dunblane were all carried out with legally held guns. Nobody in recent memory has gone out and killed 10 people with a bow/javelin/discus.

A kneejerk reaction: yes, but it was in response to a number of events.
And illegally held guns too fyi.

simesb 27-03-10 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel (Post 2225606)
And illegally held guns too fyi.
Certainly not in Dunblane, and I didn't think so at Hungerford.

Philbo 27-03-10 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel (Post 2224722)
Oh absolutely. If we cant use the law to attack other peoples way of life just because you don't like them then what's the point?


My point was that they were class A wierdos...who owned or had owned guns. I wasn't saying they were wierdos because they had guns...

Another example was a sales guy who used to visit my work, I'll skip over the bizarre OCD stories in case I inadvertantly attack his way of life. But this guy would completely loose it, banging his fists on tables while ranting on about how Dunblane had ruined gun sports for everybody! This is while he's supposed to have on his super friendly best pal face, trying to get me to buy stuff from him...

keithd 27-03-10 09:41 PM
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there's always something for somebody to moan about. guns are for blokes/birds in the forces or men with small inadequate penis's

hungerford only happened cos michael ryans mum said shoot up the road and get us a loaf of bread love

TEC 27-03-10 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozzo (Post 2225603)
Got any sources to back that up?
Sadly no but I realise there is a missing word in my sentance, probably ;) But I do have experience of using handguns along with other bits of hardware and was asked if I wanted to go to Bisley whilst I was still in training


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