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right i want rid of the punto
so these are the criteria for new cage
1/ wife can use every day
2/ can pull horsebox
3/ doesnt cost the earth say 2grand
4/ not mental on insurance
5/ pefer deisel but not essential


now my first thought was a landy 90 or 110 as i can sevice and maitain one myself and bug richie if its over my head (love you man) but after a quick ebay hunt there fecking stupid money.

also will be used to take bike to trackdays and have always wanted a landy but alais it seems to expencive at present

so mighty org give me your wisdom

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Buy my SAAB 93 .......... I want £2k for it!!!!!

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Dave, just out of interest, how long have you had the punto? and if so would you be selling anytime soon? and if so...how much? :-P

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yea myc were hoping to sell in the next few months ,had it 6 months and im sure we can do you mates rates on price when i think of one in the first place lol

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;-) How matey ratey we talking here....carling darling? hehe

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I'd guess the towing weight capacity is going to narrow the choice down a bit. What's the gross weight of trailer+livestock?

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Loads of Freelander's around at that money, and the odd Disco and Rangie too if you really want a landie. Izuzu Troopers, Nissan Terranos, Mitsubishi Pajero/Shogun, Toyota Landcruiser are all bulletproof.

This is a nice car and is advertised at a dealer at 2995, you could probably go and get it for 2600. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...ge/8?logcode=p

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if your refering to licence issues im c+e so no worries there
but around a ton and a half laiden

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A few CRV's here advertised at 3k or under with less than 80k miles, and cars don't come much more reliable than a Honda.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/u...sort/pricedesc

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No, just thinking about towing capacity of the vehicle. Checking the above link for CRV shows they are 1500kg braked, so even they would be OK. I used my Dad's CRV (2.0L petrol) to collect my Yaris on a car trailer from Belgium, it coped with that quite happily, trailer gross around 1300kg IIRC. Good car for general use, not heavyweight for off-roading though, part time 4WD OK for smooth dry fields (tyres main factor), good value and reasonably economical, reliable.

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Mornin'

For that money you can rule out a Defender unless you want something quite old mate and I don't think it'd fill all your requirements.

Following the cold snap at the begining of the year prices seem to have hiked up quite alot, I think you'd be better off finding a Discovery, late 300Tdi or a V8 that's been LPG converted (that Disco 1 can take underslung tanks so you still have all your boot space) and it'll pull well which ever you get.

But if you get a Landy, make sure you've got tool's or a mate with them and get on the Landy forums.

Towing wise you'll be able to tow upto a 3.5 tonne braked trailer (as long as you've got the entitlements on your licence), I don't, so I can only tow a small trailer

e.g. a bike trailer with a chubby Squirrell on it

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0290Medium.jpg

Whatever car you THINK you might like look up the towing capacity of it before you think about it as a possibility, for example a comparible vehicle (e.g. Mitsubishi L200) might have a towing capacity of 2700kg, and I have no idea if that's enough for a horse box?

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Dave, a Discovery can tow up to 3.5 tonnes with a braked trailer. There are lots of 4x4s out there that will do the job for you, you can probably get a jap one that's younger and a bit more luxurious for the same price as a slightly older discovery, but it all depends on what you want. Get a Discovery, 300Tdi or TD5 and you're laughing. You'll easily get a decent enough Disco for 2k and they are easy (if you don't mind bashing things with hammers) to work on. Easy to get parts for and do all the servicing yourself. They are lovely to drive and are also classless vehicles. Gemma will certainly not look out of place towing the trailer with a disco :-)

You can get good mileage from the Tdi's if you drive economically and don't put lifts and big tyres on like me and Stretchie have...lol.

If you're not in any rush, wait for the AR and you can both have a go driving our 300Tdi, both on road and off road if you want in the woods behind the campsite and see if you like it. :-)

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What year, what model? I'm in the market for one of those. I'd prefer a 2003 on saloon.

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And a damn sight more reliable than any Freelander. The TD4s are ok, but the rest are crap. Been looking at CRVs too.

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What Horsebox are you going to tow ? The Ifor Williams 2 horse trailer weighs almost a ton empty so with 2 horses you are looking at 2 tons approx, where as our Cheval Liberte single box weighs only 700 kg empty so with horse approx 1200kg. We tow it with a Honda CRV 2.0 petrol. and it pulls easily and is a nice car when not towing, and is ultra reliable. Wouldn't tow a 2 horse box though.

Daryl.

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Daihatsu fourtrak. Cheap enough and will pull up concrete!

For example:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...16as?logcode=p

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well TopGear "recommends" the Kia Rio for towing caravans, so i'm sure it would be more than capable of towing a Horse box.........





hahaha

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There are just as many fors as there are against in the Freelander world.
From the mouth of a Landy approved independant mechanic that fixed ours, he said our petrol V6 was more reliable in his opinion than any deisel one....
We looked at CRVs as Pegs had one before, and a HRV. They are very reliable, and that Honda bodywork don't rot so quick. In fact I've seen plenty of HRVs in superb nick for their age( not that I think they could tow a horse box) However we found that CRVs were pretty pricey for their age and mileage.
One thing to consider with a poofwagon(Freeloader) is the tax. Our 2001 Y reg is far cheaper to tax than one of the same year but younger reg number.
We wouldn't touch a 1.8 Freelander with a bargepole...not enough grunt for the weight, but I know of another member with one on here that loves his to bits. A 2.5l petrol is pretty good on fuel on huge trips, but is a thirsty monster when sat in a traffic jam.

Pro's and cons for every car you want to buy. Everyone has differing opinions.

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Ford Maverick / NissanTerrano 2.

IIRC Towing capacity isnt much less than a Disco / Defender. Off road capacity pretty good. Ask Stretchie how our Maverick got on when we took it off road when he and Cheryl took me to Sailsbury plain for a play. I would wager has better on road manners than a defender and can run in 2WD mode only so again gives a better drive on road. Has 4WD High and low range with auto locking hubs.

If you get a LWB its huge inside to. Isnt attractive to look at though !

Were going for around £1500 ish on auto trader a while ago so should fit oyur budget. Go for the later 2.7tdi ones with the air scoop in the bonnet like our one as they put out a little more BHP than the non intercooler ones. 122bhp...

This is ours, that we bought off Lozzo a little while ago.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...k/DSC_0411.jpg

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My little bro was going to buy one of those, cheap as chips, and seem a great car. Downside was the insurance...what a pig :-(

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Its not to bad for us. I think its around the £150 mark for TPTF for Liz and I and neither of us have clean licenses.

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Just a couple of ad's from the back of the current edition of Land Rover Owner International

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0296Medium.jpg


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0295Medium.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0298Medium.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0297Medium.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1...0294Medium.jpg



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Fizz's Mondeo came out with mine and Vipers Disco's and did all the same stuff, I think the towing capacity of it is a max of 2.8 tonnes with a braked trailer, clearance underneath isn't as much as a Landy but if you're not after an extreme off roader then it doesn't matter, hell, if you're after an extreme off roader then you wouldn't be pulling a Horse Box with it would you.

And Fizz's is a nice ride to, much more refined sat in side that than in my Disco

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+1 on Fizz's, it's a lovely ride and very capable off road. I would be gutted if I dented that though, whereas I don't care about damaging the Landy :-) Battlescares are good.

I'm amazed there's a 1987 90 going for under 2K....something wrong with it?

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It was more to do with age than anything, and the fact hes been driving a new Seat Leon TDi for three years under the NHS emplyment umbrella. Obviously not having his NCB go up every year since he took the Leon on didn't pay in the end. as hes been driving for over ten years.:(

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..that's what the horse is for...

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I wouldnt, its got a few little dents and scrapes in it, a few more arent going ot make any difference.

Mr Preston, this is the kinda thing you'd be looking at. Forget the milleage its a Nissan underneath rebadged as a Ford, and I noticed that the Terrano's seem for some bizzare reason to fetch more money than the Mavericks do..

This one has a few more toys on it than ours does.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...ge/1?logcode=p

Or this one

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...02ne?logcode=p

Or this one again milleage lower but a bit more money

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...02ne?logcode=p

Anyways that should give you an idea of what you are looking at. Watch for rust around the rear seatbelt mounts as ours failed its MOT on that and had to have some welding done and as you'd expect for a big old lump if you drive it hard it drinks diesel, it also doest return very good MPG around town. Low 30's is probably best you'll get, but it can get a shift on and will sit a 90mph quite comfortably on the Motorway.

Oh and when in 2WD mode it only drives the rear axle, which means power slidding around roudabouts in the wet is fun, especially with some more off road biased tyres on it, dont ask me how I know this though ;-)

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scooby forester, very underrated car. a lot of farmers up here drive these so there must be something thats good about them. had a go of one about 5 years back and it was nice to drive. was towing a trailer full of steel and it coped with ease. only drawback is spares prices if it goes wrong.

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VW Passat TDi?

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ummmmmm interesting just phoned our insurance and a maverick willl cost 90 more all in, thats from a punto lol , 1.2 to 2.7 hehehehehehehe the possibilities are endless

maria give us a call about the punto plans are afoot

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When I bought our Landy I was initially interested in the Maverick 2.7 but by the time i got there to pay the deposit someone else had snapped it up. In this instance the Landy was a second choice, would have preferred the reliability of the Ford badge, but more than happy with the consolation prize.

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I bought this (3.0Td Hilux Surf) a little over a year and a half ago for just £1800. It had 77k miles on it and was(is) in fantastic shape. Bullet-proof reliability and bags of torque. I used it to pull a large horse box loaded with all our stuff when we moved house recently. It only gets a little over 20mpg, but it was so cheap to buy I figured that would offset the fuel costs. It's comfortable and quiet while on the motorway as well. I would definitely recommend one:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...HiluxFront.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t.../HiluxRear.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...hiluxmotor.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...uxInterior.jpg

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hi gemma here
its a equitreck spacetrecker (small lightweight mainley made out of thick fibreglass) and it will only be pulling with one horse laden(not me driving dizz as i am not allowed for medical reasons to tow a trailer)
its being pulled by my grandads discovery at the moment and thats laden with 2 horses and neither are small so i have no worries about it being 1.8 - 2.0 dont think i will need more than that as i dont go very far(blackpool beach about the furthest), think we have settled on either a honda crv or a freelander. as the tax on them are not that bad at 200 per year(punto is 100 ).
just looking and saving now:)
plus much more rooms for cr*p for daves track days

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How about this

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Oh no not a freeloader

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Tax on the Maverick is £185 just for comparison.

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Don't look bad that I think on first look. Pretty basic, but flippin cheap! Wonder whats wrong with it?
Tax would be as cheap being older than ours too.

But I will say, you reallllllly must vet it very carefully, you need to know what to look for. Mind you nobody knows if a head gasket might pop!!

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Be quiet, you can't even drive officially:rolleyes:
Besides they are called poofwaggons, not freeloaders, cause I said so:p

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:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082
Pot, kettle!

neither of us have a license, and I know how a gearbox works...

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I do have a license to drive with L plates and am insured. Besides it will be official soon without L plates so ner.
Anyway, it doesn't matter if you know the inside of a gearbox, you can only go on what someone with an interest in old Landys says. I actually have a live version poofwaggon standing on my drive which I can give a valid comment on in which I have driven many times, and have had one issue with. They are a perfectly viable option for the OP, one of which a lot of people would consider, just because you don't like them doesn't mean that they are crap Chris.

SO be careful or I may use you to drive over when I mistake you for a lampost when I pass my test soon ;-)

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That age Freelander should not be on the road IMO.....not safe in impact and terrible Euro NCAP scores.

http://www.euroncap.com/results/land...c-409fd0847da9

Discos and the others like Fizz's Maverick are much better.

Also the eraly Freelanders were just a very clever production by Land Rover to produce a car too fit a niche market...mums doing the school run. They made a fortune as they were generally second rate too the company compared to the standard models and so were not built all that well. Not going to fall apart or anything, but you definitely get more for your money elsewhere with the early models.