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Many of you will be aware of the furore in the media about a 43 yr old Iranian woman about to be stoned to death.

I had thought of posting the link but the pictures of past stonings are just too barbaric, and I'll leave that to your individual choice.

Buried up to their chest then stoned. The size of the stones are selected to cause maximum pain without killing too soon.

How can another human being do such a thing? I just can't get my head around the why?

There's sick, and there's SICK.

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Yep I totally agree Brian and as a member of Amnesty International it disgusts me that this barbaric act continues. There`s a hell of a lot of public stonings going on around the world that don`t make the press and the majority of these "sentences" are on women.

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Oh and it`s down to religion and Islamic tradition!!!!

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Shame on them

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Another Amnesty member here, it is things like that this made me join to start with.

Here is the Amnesty Link for anyone interested.

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Their country their culture,that's why they get away with so much in the western world------Civilisation versus Barbarism
As anybody who has worked in the Middle East knows

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"If the convicted person manages to free themselves from the hole, the death sentence is commuted."

Thats sick seems almost as if there making a game of it.

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Sharia Law - was coming here any day soon, but perhaps the ConDems have put it off for a while.

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Isn't Allah the most merciful? Which is why they hang gay men and chop peoples' hands off.

Bunch of savages.

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Maybe someone needs to start a Campaign to Rnd Womens Sufferage...

Oh wait, someone did...

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lmao if people think stoning was first mentioned in muslim holy book.

Try most the ones before it as well. Including one that begins with B.

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so let me get this straight they put someone in a hole and give them class c drugs and see if they can get out of the hole

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So, what does Muddi say about this? :

http://forums.sv650.org/image.php?u=...ine=1278372461
Why only ' the boys ' ?

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now that would be a way to go:smt033

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The present day issue is that the other religeons mostly grew out this sort of barbarism many generations ago.Nowadays it does seem to be very much confined to countries whose names start with the word Islamic.
There is absolutely no excuse for barbarism like this whatever the pretext or whatever religion.

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+1

*Shudder*

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i know it makes me as bad as them but i wouldn't mind dropping a tone of bricks on the the people that think its ok to do that sort of thing .....

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I heard glimpses of this on the news earlier today and if I am honest, I turned over because I hate the thought of it so much I didn't want to listen.

I generally don't think other countries should interfere in the laws and traditions of others but this really sickens me. Fair enough having death sentences but to purposely cause as much pain and suffering as possible (for HAVING AN AFFAIR!!!) for something which has probably no evidence is horrendous.

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Not denying any of that. Was just responding to the 'traditions' comment.

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I believe the OP referred to the forthcoming stoning of this poor woman and his question was how can people do this sort of thing to another human being? and the answer is religion and Islamic law. He didn`t ask which religion first used stoning as a method of punishment so you can stop laughing now :D

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That may be the case, but over the last couple of thousand years other religions seem to have moved with the times and accepted that barbaric practices are just that, barbaric. Islam appears to be stuck in the dark ages.


If anyone thinks this kind of thing is limited to one or two rebel Islamic nations then think again. Saudi Arabia were still stoning people openly in Jeddah in 1993, as witnessed by my ex-wife from a hotel window when she was working out there as a nurse. There have been numerous reports of other public stonings in more recent years. This is despite claiming that stoning had been outlawed some years previously. But, Saudi, due to their strategically handy location, being politically very powerful in international terms and also one of the friendlier oil-rich nations, can get away with anything it likes without the UK or US governments saying a thing.

This country will get Sharia law over my dead body. I won't sit back and let that happen without a bitter fight.

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Very sadly public stoning is also a common event in Somalia. For exmaple:

Dec 2009 a man accused of adultery was stoned to death

Nov 2009 a 20 year old woman was stoned to death by Somali Islamists, accused of adultery after giving birth to a still-born baby

Oct 2008 a 13 year old girl publically tortured and stoned to death after she claimed she had been raped.

Is unbelievable that this kind of barbarity still goes on around the world.

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The Beeb reports that this is no longer happening

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...t/10565103.stm

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it is disgusting that in this day and age this sort of stuff still goes on. As for celebrities and other governments gettings involved, I dont agree with that, the woman is from that country, knows the rules and the risks. If it was a tourist then fair enough get involved.

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I agree with the idea of self determination, and non-interference but just where do you draw the line?

Should no one have been brought to trial for the genocide in Germany, the former Yugoslavia, Angola, Rwanda and so on? There is nothing wrong with providing 'guidance' to developing countries, and if that means sanctions to stop horrendous human rights breaches then so be it.

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yeah but who exactly are we to dictate to anothe country with completely different types of laws, cultures and the way in people see things. Why should we tell them we don't like what they are doing-and impose our way of thinking.

Its almost like asking them to interfere in one of our judicial cases - Face it countries are never going to see eye to eye on this.

Lozzo stated that sharia law over his dead body - so we don't like when someone else thinks about doing to our own culture just a tad hypocritical??

My own opinion is that I do think its barabaric and think its wrong but its their country. (there still a lot of barbaric practises going on in UK let sort out or own before we go gung-ho to other places)

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+ 1 more.

Vile.

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I think you'd find yourself with a lot of backup.

But... there's a huge difference between actual Islam (the religion) and what actually goes on in these Islamic countries. Much of it is cultural and not religious - however the two are often indistiguishable as what is "taught" (read forced) as Islam isn't the same as what enlightened western Muslims think of it. Most of the time it just seems to be used as a way of controlling the uneducated masses.

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I'm not suggesting we should be looking to change their laws or culture, just their sentencing.

There isn't a country in the world that doesn't have something that may appear wrong in the eyes of other nations, and we certainly have our own problems but if someone doesn't speak out what will change?

The Iranian Embassy has announced that she will no longer be stoned, and I guess that's down to international pressure. That doesn't mean she isn't guilty of a crime in her country, and I don't have a problem with that irrespective of whether I think that law is archaic. As has been said, their laws and their country.

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It brings back the old debate of whether what is "right" is an absolute or dependent on your current reference frame.

I would not agree "their laws, their country". Of course people being imprisoned in Vichy France was fine, after all, it was "their" country, right?

I am with Lozzo, Sharia law over my dead body. A foreign culture trying to influence our own with their barbaric ways. Strange actually, probably the very thing a mad savage of an ayatollah would say about us trying to civilise their country...


And just to add some humour;
http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.p...7&d=1277583197

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I agree, you abide by the laws of this land or fook off, shove your own laws up your arris sideways.
Makes me smile actually, they have all this barbaric crap in their own countries then come here and make a big song and dance over the slightest little inconvenience.
We cant even stop and search them for fear of rascist accusations.

They openly admit they wanna take over the world, not in this country while there's a drop of blood in my body.

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Just to reality check before we lock and load and light the torches... "they" are about 3 highly vocal nutters and I would guess the vast majority of subjects in muslim lands are normal people just controlled by fear.


But for your mentalist hate-filled clerics, I'd put them down without a second thought... live by the sword, get shot by someone who doesn't :)

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Actually they muslims i have come into contact with have been no different to you and i, they dont condone the actions of the extremists, wether they agree with all the stuff secretly is another matter, but on the whole i take people as i find them, but as the asian areas in brum are expanding rapidly, its is starting to get like we're the minority and when that happens we wont be able to control what laws they follow.
Until we stop the clerics preaching untrue crap to the masses, we will never be able to intergrate peacefully.

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I do credit most people with the common sense to decide what is true and what is lunacy. Just like I wouldn't expect people to consider me as being in the IRA just because I was raised a catholic...

I don't know what the solution is, but anything to stop the formation of fully asian areas would be a step in the right direction.

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KK, Q, whilst generally I would agree with that sentiment, read Speedy Claires post above.

With the reference to "they know the rules and the risks", erm, a woman has a still born baby and they believe that means shes had an affair so they stone her to death? OK, so how was that her taking a risk or breaking the rules?

Or the 13 yr old girl who reported she had been raped?

Perhaps if these things were carried out after a proper, fair trial then yeh, fair enough, you pays your money, you takes your chances but to stone a 13 year old girl because she had been raped that is, I actually cannot find the words to express my feelings at that.

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We are civilised people.

It's just wrong... you can't even call them animals because there isn't even any reason for it? insanity? Perhaps. It's like the chaos depicted in apocalypse now, unhinged... a little bit of hell seeping into this world.

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there are always going to be cases like this. Im not saying stoning is a good idea, what Im saying is this current case has been all over news and all it has been going on about is that this celebrity and that celebrity are wanting to fight this and pressure on other governments to get involved. It has nothing to do with celebrities or other governments. Amnestity and other international groups, I can see them getting involved and highlighting cases like this but it is not up to some bored film star to decide how sentences are carried out in other countries with such different ideas and cultures.

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Just send in Team America.

they sort everything out.

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Exactly, it's almost just like an excuse to torture people, not a punishment.