My mate jailed
 

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/chippy_sta..._bill_1_978616


OK, he is hardly a criminal deserving of jailing, Simply a hard working (12 hour days for the past 30 years) guy in a cash industry and from a culture that does not pay tax (North African).

Why is it that you can batter somebody and get a fine, fail to pay the government what they want out of your earnings and you get sent to jail.

I am willing to bet, the vast majority of this is his life savings.

So, do I go and visit him and make an offer to run his chippy, No wonder he had so much, it is the best one locally.

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You're right, I'm sure the smuggling charge had no bearing on the sentence..... If he wants to continue not paying tax perhaps he ought to go and live in North Africa? The entire structure of our country is being slowly eroded by this take take take attitude and I have no problem with seeing someone who has clearly been cheating the system for some considerable time paying the ultimate price. If you can't live by the rules of our society then be prepared to be excluded from it.

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This^^^

You play the game, you run the risk of getting caught


The good players know how far they can push the limits of tax avoidance without reaching the threshold of evasion

This guy clearly couldn't play the game...

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Yeah he's much more dangerous than a paedophile (!) this country was f**ked years ago, our criminal justice system needs a serious shake up as it stands its farcical and I for on have absolutely zero faith in it.

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Now thats a statement.

I bet you'd tell traffic cops to "go catch real criminals" as well.

If the Police do not pursue criminals (and this man is one) they get stick. and then People like you come along and give them stick for actually doing their job anyway.

Damned if the do damned if the don't.

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Has nothing to do with how dangerous he is. Has to do with there being laws in place that have been broken over such a long time.

People having zero faith in the criminal justice system that then moan when this system jails a man that has evaded tax payments for such a considerable amount of time have no valid argument IMO.

Tim, I do feel for your mate as he's done what all of us would love to do if we could and that is keep the money we earn. But I pay 40% tax on the majority of my earnings and have done for the last 7 years as a self employed person. Sometimes my tax bill would make me sick...but I paid it, so hearing of others hiding their money in order to avoid paying that tax is pretty flipping annoying.

I would have more sympathy if he didn't know what he was doing, but he clearly knew it was wrong as he's gone to some lengths over quite some time to hide it.....so as others have said, play the game, live by the consequences!

If I were you, yeah, I'd go and offer to run the chippy while he's inside and when he gets out, by doing it lawfully, you'll have started building up his savings again....legally. Plus, free fish and chips when you want ;-)

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IMHO....
he is not a criminal, just a person that just does not want to pay tax................
so when i do my 12 hour shift and get so tired that i forget which day it is i should do as he does just dont pay tax...
cool......
paying tax is pretty flipping annoying...
spose some folk have to do it.

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+1 for this.

if we all avoided paying taxes then the country would be even more screwed that it currently is. break the law if you want to but you then have to be prepared to take the consequences.

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Is the issue the sentence compared with sentences for other crimes?

The way I see it is I've paid my taxes etc towards supporting the things this country needs, whether it be the welfware state or whatever. People like said chippy has meant the burden has fallen on others, in other words by robbing the state he's robbed me.

Yes, some sentences for other crimes/criminals needs addresssing but as for said chippy, he's got what he deserved.

And when he comes out I'd quite happily help him onto the plane back to Africa. If he has no respect for this country and its rules then why should we allow him to stay?

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Bloody el. Well done!
Don't believe I've ever made enough to pay 40%............

As to the chippy owner; looks to me like he made a pile of money selling smuggled bacco. What can you say? He basically broke the law and got caught.
I bet he paid tax on the proceeds of the chippy so that will help to pay for his stay inside.

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Got what he deserves,those that smuggle tobacco smuggle other stuff also, be it drugs,people etc,so he's contributing to the suffering of others- if he doesn't want to pay tax then he should pi$$ off back to africa -i'm fed up of the lame excuses such as he's from a different culture etc-this is where its went wrong with this country.
no sympathy for him , he should be deported once his sentence is completed.

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It wouldn't matter if you only paid 2%....it's the principal....and by not paying that tax, however much it is, you'll be better off, so it stinks knowing that you pay and adhere to the law and others don't bother. Just think what you could buy yourself if you never paid your tax!

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It is a criminal offence not to pay taxes. Therefore, if he has not paid his taxes, he is a criminal.

It's that simple.


Remember that tax is what pays for every public service, so the NHS that our nation's binge-drinking youth (not all of us) abuse on a weekly basis, the police forces we rely upon to maintain law and order, the fire services who risk their lives to pull people from burning houses, and the Armed Services who exist to protect this country.
Paying taxes might be annoying, but they are a fact of life.

As they say, there are only two certainties in life, Death and Taxes.

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If only i knew he kept wads of cash in the bushes of the back garden :(

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women usually hide there money between the boobies, not in the bushes ;)

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I was thinking the same thing. I couldn't imagine leaving a spare pair of used undies under the bushes of fear they'd go missing!

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I knew a girl who could pick up a tenner with her buttocks.

As for this chap.... sorry, no sympathy from me either. No matter how good his fish and chips.

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lol:smt046

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Where i live the cash would be still under the bushes but the undies might not:D

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love it, cigarettes 'smuggled' from Spain. ermmm i thaught that they were in the EU so you dont need to smuggle tobacco products any more.

still 2.5 years for tax envision is a bit harsh. he was serving his community by selling 'cheep fags' as far as i'm concerned. if the tax in this country was not so bleedin high to start with then there would not be a 'black market' for such goods. ooohhh wait are we allowed to say 'black market' any more or are the PC going to burst my door down in a minuet.

£700.000 is an awfully lot of cash to keep lying around though. the person must have not been very bright. he could have phoned and given me some of it. lol

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Why should I work so hard and then pay tax for people like him who can not be bothered ......... I hope they give him a tax bill of 700k..

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maybe if we all screwed the country things would change and we would get it back.
I love to hear stories where people have screwed the country and got away with it what a shame this guy got caught.
I beleave in the people not the country when we talk of the country were really talking of some inbread aristocrats setting up something we don't need so they can take the money/power.
anarchy rules! fight for the people not the system. hoo yaa.
i made the mistake of fighting for the system and lost loads of good mates to it!.
I have zero loyalty to this system and hope to oneday see it fall!

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i just hope the chippy can re-open to the same standards, a good chippy is hard to find...

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Indeed! theres a goodun in stetchford :-D

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Hmm, reading the responses I guess I am in a minority who see him as a guy that has never hurt anyone, provided work to 6 people and done nothing worse than fiddle his tax.

There are a lot more deserving of jail time than Mustapha. He doesn't drink/womanise etc. So he runs a successful business and get hammered. Keeping your money/savings at home and hidden etc is not so strange if like he, you come from an environment where banks and government cannot be trusted to keep your money safe.



edit, ok jail him for life as they failed to disclose he is also a united fan. Truth is he had been looking after the money in an attempt to buy out the Glaziers

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Which begs the question why on earth are you still living in the UK then?

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tell me of a country not like this! and I'l be there friends & family invited.

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smudge what would be in its place?

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And that is what he has been done for, no injustice there :smt035, Question is have his employees paid there taxes?. If i have to pay mine i don't see why he shouldn't pay his, Ps i don't have 700k stuffed under my bed, it's more like 1 mil. :smt046

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who would he phone if his chippy was on fire, or his house was being burgled, or he needed medical attention etc etc etc.

...thats right, the services for which he hasnt paid.

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So what's your remedy for a UK national failnig to pay tax?

(BTW, try being a 40% tax-payer when the Revenue messes it up and taxes you twice! what fun we had trying to sort that one out)

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Not sure of your beef Mr Wilky

He was doing stuff and got caught...I suppose you could argue he dont deserve the jail time but anyone in the know will tell you he will be out in a year...if that.

I have no problem with the conviction...not even a little bit.

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[QUOTE=CoolGirl;2333122]So what's your remedy for a UK national failnig to pay tax?

Jail-plain and simple-once they have done their time they go back to their community - why should a person who is foreign be allowed to remain in this country after they have commited a crime punishable by imprisonment-if i go and live in the states,canada,oz,thailand etc and end up in jail after doing my time i get sent back to where i came from so why should it be any different here?
Foreigners in ANY country should be aware that their presence there is at that countrys discretion and should they break the laws of that land they get deported- again why should it be any different here?

hence why the uk is often seen as being a soft touch

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He has been stealing from all of us that do pay our tax, he has been caught and is being punished for it, seems like the correct outcome to me.

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Making an assumption based on what Mr Wilky said and that there's no report to the contrary, the bloke's been here for 30 years and has resident status, so isn't an illegal immigrant. So, if he were to stay in the UK and pay his taxes like a good boy, plus give back what he owes the state in arrears, how would you feel about that?

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+1
Its getting bloody hard to make decent living lately, my work has been up and down this year, so i wont have to worry about getting to 40% tax limits.
The way things are going i will be paying about a fiver in tax.

I need a career change, this one is a lot of work for not so good gains.

BTW i hear people getting let off with low sentences for a lot worse crimes than tax evasion, so imo its not relative.
Having said that, he may be a criminal, but not the type that would probably be the 'norm' in prisons so why dont they do something like 2000 hours community service instead, less burden on the prison / tax system and he puts back into the community, along with a heavy fine.

Just my opinion.

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Even the details of the article show that he was doing more than that...

He was convicted of two money laundering offences

Money laundering is certainly not one guy, totally innocent, forgetting to pay his tax bill

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On a point of Order, Hitler didn't drink or womanise, so I don't think it's a relevant reason to see the guy in a different light, he runs a succesful business, which is a damn sight easier if you don't pay tax, he may come from a country where you can't trust banks, but he's dealing with a country where for the most part you can trust banks. If he came from a country where you could marry a 12yo, would you see him so sympathetically if he was cohabiting with one here? They guy is living here and thus he has a duty to conform with the laws of the land. He's a crook and he got caught, that's the bottom line. £700k would pay for an awful lot of public services.

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How would i feel?-i'd feel it was pointless in jailing him in the first place-i am of the opinion that the punishment given out by the courts should not only punish the guilty but also act as a deterent to others from doing the same- but as has been mentioned before in this thread the differences in the sentencing in this country for different crimes varies from the stupid to the downright shameful at times.
At no point have i or anyone else said this guy was an illegal immigrant, but if he's been here for 30 years or 30 mins i would still deport him out of the uk for commiting a crime punishable by imprisonment.
My bro lives in Thailand and has resident status there, but if he commits a crime where he would go to jail he knows he's on the first plane out the country onces he's served his time-he therefore ensures he lives by the Thai laws-i'd like to see that happening here.

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The guys an eejit...

All he had to do was hire a bent accountant who could have happily stashed his cash someone...all perfectly legal...