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MrMessy 02-08-10 08:53 AM

E-bay, Will Not Honour Sale:
 
Won an exhaust for my curvy at the weekend and seller will not honour the sale. Said he had wrongly listed it with no start price! If it had been the other way I am sure he would have taken the extra money off of me.

Fruity-ya-ya 02-08-10 09:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMessy (Post 2334000)
Won an exhaust for my curvy at the weekend and seller will not honour the sale. Said he had wrongly listed it with no start price! If it had been the other way I am sure he would have taken the extra money off of me.

I've never had to use it but I thought there was a 'dispute' tool for stuff like this.

Maybe you could discuss a mutual compromise?

Jayneflakes 02-08-10 09:46 AM

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Make a formal complaint. You made a bid in good faith and it has been ignored. :toss:

If that fails, then it is my perennial favourite of posting him a lunchbox full of turds!

Hope that helps :D

barwel1992 02-08-10 09:48 AM

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so it took him 5/7+ days to notice...... he could have just ended the item if he was telling the truth

philbut 02-08-10 12:13 PM

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My Mrs had this with a ball dress she won. No comeback unfortunately. She told ebay but they did sod all. The best you can do is leave him stinking bad feedback.

FG1 02-08-10 04:19 PM

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Find something else he is selling, get loads of people to bid stupid amounts of money on it, let the winning bidder ignore his e mails and not pay for the item, when he opens a non payment issue with e bay reply saying that it has been paid for with cash on collection, let e bay charge him their cut .................................................. ..:smt003:smt003

andrewsmith 02-08-10 04:33 PM

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start a formal dispute on ebay and contact paypal for no receipt of goods as they can put pressure on the seller/ take the money transfered back out

Electro 02-08-10 04:54 PM

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Sellers fault, you get to review the ad before it goes live, you get an instant email showing the page layout, nail his hat on mate, do as stated above, get what u won!!!

whats the item number??

BigBaddad 02-08-10 05:05 PM

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Grr

Dave20046 02-08-10 05:15 PM

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Yep their fault, should honour it- dispute but doubt you'll get anywhere though :(, had it before a few times. Tossers

Recently got ripped off by this company http://www.launchburys.co.uk/
on ebay who quickly cancelled the transaction so they didn't have to refund me! crunts

Specialone 02-08-10 06:22 PM

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What a bumbag, things like this really annoy me with fleabay, like someone else said he had a few days to spot the alleged mistake, did he not look at the ad at all over the week?
Someone has pm'd him and offered him more money so he has told you to whistle.
May his testicles rot and fall off.

Von Teese 02-08-10 08:17 PM

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We had this recently, Akrapovic exhaust on for £250 ending on Sunday. We thought we would buy it for the CBR, the seller ended the sale early (5 hours to go...and yes it had been on for over a week already) and relisted it 9 minutes later with a starting bid of £450!!!!

Initial ad:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

9 mins later:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...STRK:MEWAX:VRI

Replied to query saying that they had accidently listed it with a start price too low for what they wanted....Ebay did nothing!

After hearing this and other stories I am beginning to wonder if Ebay is still the bargain way to buy or sell anything anymore!

sloppy joe 02-08-10 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by specialone (Post 2334586)
May his testicles rot and fall off.

Egg-f***ing-zactly. Would be nice if that was the actual outcome of putting in a dispute with e-bay.

As it is they don't seem to clamp down on these kinds of fools. Paypal, though, I have heard are pretty good at refunding money for non-delivery if you have already paid.

Bad luck, and better luck next time.

ethariel 02-08-10 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Teese (Post 2334704)

After hearing this and other stories I am beginning to wonder if Ebay is still the bargain way to buy or sell anything anymore!


It really is not as good as it used to be. Most USM/Memory card prices were so over inflatred last time i looked and too many had the £10000000000 (ok exageration) postage on top of a 1p listing.

Bluefish 02-08-10 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ethariel (Post 2334807)
It really is not as good as it used to be. Most USM/Memory card prices were so over inflatred last time i looked and too many had the £10000000000 (ok exageration) postage on top of a 1p listing.

yeah but when buying you look at the price including postage and buy the cheapest, no problemo.

madnlooney 03-08-10 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ethariel (Post 2334807)
It really is not as good as it used to be. Most USM/Memory card prices were so over inflatred last time i looked and too many had the £10000000000 (ok exageration) postage on top of a 1p listing.

thats because they dont need to refund the postage on the item if faulty / gets lost only the listing price. also i think Ebay only charge for the final selling price not including postage so keeps fees down

Berlin 03-08-10 07:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Von Teese (Post 2334704)
We had this recently, Akrapovic exhaust on for £250 ending on Sunday. We thought we would buy it for the CBR, the seller ended the sale early (5 hours to go...and yes it had been on for over a week already) and relisted it 9 minutes later with a starting bid of £450!!!!

Initial ad:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

9 mins later:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...STRK:MEWAX:VRI

Replied to query saying that they had accidently listed it with a start price too low for what they wanted....Ebay did nothing!

After hearing this and other stories I am beginning to wonder if Ebay is still the bargain way to buy or sell anything anymore!

IIRC, you can't cancel an Ebay item within 12 hours of the end of auction if it has bids on it. If you had a bid on it he couldn't have ended it within 12 hours of the end of the auction. So you were watching it, not buying it.

Ebay did nothing because the seller has done nothing wrong. He listed it trying to get some interest at the lower amount but this didn't happen so he relisted it at a higher price which was the price he wanted. He didn't break the rules as there were no bids on it, if it was cancelled with that time to go.

Why do people expect to get something for way less than its "Worth" on Ebay? Its nice if it happens occasionally but it should be seen as a bonus, not a right. If everything sold for less than it's worth, Ebay wouldn't exist.

C

timwilky 03-08-10 07:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2334885)
Why do people expect to get something for way less than its "Worth" on Ebay? Its nice if it happens occasionally but it should be seen as a bonus, not a right. If everything sold for less than it's worth, Ebay wouldn't exist.

C


Oh come on, something is only worth what somebody is prepared to pay for it. I have had this argument with so many people over the years. They say it is worth x, my response is find somebody to pay that then. I will give you y.

For example, just because you buy something from a fancy dealer with a couple of million invested in stock and a brand new showroom who has to add a huge mark up to cover his overheads. doesn't make that commodity any more valuable than if you had bought it from the box shifter operating from an old warehouse, buys in bulk and knocks out with minimal mark up.

When I worked in insurance, I got fed up of the "It is worth x" just because it was a moggy minor etc. No it would be worth it if it was in concourse condition, been looked after and had a full paper trail, that is a rust bucket shed that should never have been on the road.

Vendors normally dream of pie in the sky, reality is nothing has a value, unless some one wants it.

Ebay exists because it enable joe public to easy auction goods, irrespective of who the vendor is. A business looking for an alternative market or joe public looking to get rid of unwanted stuff.

Berlin 03-08-10 07:28 AM

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Hence the " " Tim.

C

Electro 03-08-10 07:58 AM

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There is a big difference between watching an item and it being removed and winning one. If you wanted it you should have bid.

Berlin 03-08-10 08:25 AM

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I've been using Ebay professionally for about 7 years. It paid the bills for three of them and there are lots of things that Joe public users aren't aware of.
I've put together a "formula" from buying and selling 1000's of items and watching 10's of thousands and I use it all the time when Ebaying. There are ways of grabbing those bargains. (and reselling them at a profit, I've lost money on only 5 ebay items in 5 years and that was my fault.)

I usually win things by as little as 12p even on items with a minimum bid of say £2. Its not impossible. You just had to know how to do it.

And no, I'm not going to share it but I will give you two general hints that is quite accurate and also useful.

1) Whatever the price is, with one hour to go, it'll generally go up 30% from that price at the end.

2) No one buys on ebay the week before Christmas and the week between Christmas and New year. Buy a years worth of bargains at this time and resell them later.

C

Von Teese 03-08-10 08:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2334885)
IIRC, you can't cancel an Ebay item within 12 hours of the end of auction if it has bids on it. If you had a bid on it he couldn't have ended it within 12 hours of the end of the auction. So you were watching it, not buying it.

Only had it on watch for about 15 mins actually, was waiting for Mr VT to come and give the approval that it was the right thing.
Seems once they saw it had someone watching it they ended the listing, so not my fault I didnt get to bid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2334885)
He listed it trying to get some interest at the lower amount but this didn't happen so he relisted it at a higher price

Great logic!
If someone isnt interested at £250, then why would upping the price by £200 cause a rush of interest, besides it wasnt a simple relist, the seller actually ended the auction early and relisted it shortly after I put it on watch....?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2334885)
Why do people expect to get something for way less than its "Worth" on Ebay?

Ummm because that is human nature!!
If you came across a bargain would you, out of the goodness of your heart, say to the seller, 'well actually, this is worth about £100 more so Im adding it to the Paypal payment'?

[Edit] just seen post above that has answered my own question:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2335012)
There are ways of grabbing those bargains. (and reselling them at a profit


Quote:

Originally Posted by Electro (Post 2334959)
There is a big difference between watching an item and it being removed and winning one. If you wanted it you should have bid.

Never had a chance to bid, see above.

Berlin 03-08-10 09:08 AM

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Without getting into a big "Worth" debate (can't be bothered) If the item belongs to the seller then it is worth what it it worth to him. If he can find someone that agrees its worth then they buy it and he sells it.

If the seller can't find a buyer that agrees its worth then the item is unsold. The seller may reconsider its worth and drop the price if he's inclined.

Worth is an agreement between buyer and seller and not purely the opinion of the prospective buyer. If a buyer has and opinion on its worth that isn't agreed with by the seller then that doesn't mean the prospective Buyer's opinion is correct.

Sellers that have listed an item at 99p have left the opinion of worth entirely to those that are buying and only then do the buyer(s) get to completely decide its worth.

But even then, the decision of worth is limited to those who find the item so its up to toe seller to advertise it at the optimum time so that more people are involved in that decision of worth.

I'm done :)

C

yorkie_chris 03-08-10 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Teese (Post 2335015)
Great logic!
If someone isnt interested at £250, then why would upping the price by £200 cause a rush of interest, besides it wasnt a simple relist, the seller actually ended the auction early and relisted it shortly after I put it on watch....?

Sometimes things too cheap make people thing there must be something wrong with it!



TBH I don't understand peoples righteous indignation at it, eBay is great but it's only like autotrader or something, a means to put you in touch with a buyer/seller. If someones had money off you then fair dos, may their balls turn square and fester on the corners... if not then stop getting in strop over a very minor inconvenience :confused:

If I put something on eBay that I could sell on here for £300, and it goes up to £400 I'm laughing, if it goes for £2... well f*ck that for a game, obviously I'm not going to sell it.

And while I'm at it, things you "won" on eBay... for f***s sake, you bought it, you didn't win it, it's not a game of tennis, there's no competition in it, you just thought it worth more than the other guy.

Von Teese 03-08-10 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 2335059)
And while I'm at it, things you "won" on eBay... for f***s sake, you bought it, you didn't win it, it's not a game of tennis, there's no competition in it, you just thought it worth more than the other guy.

Had to chuckle at this...hehe!
Very good YC :D

Biker Biggles 03-08-10 10:03 AM

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Was it just me that thought the Akrapovic that didnt quite fit properly and was damaged aint worth anything like the price on either of those auctions?

Von Teese 04-08-10 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Biker Biggles (Post 2335085)
Was it just me that thought the Akrapovic that didnt quite fit properly and was damaged aint worth anything like the price on either of those auctions?

Ohhhhh! (just shows I should stick to making animals well and not interfere with anything mechanical/electrical/non-flesh related!!)



lukemillar 04-08-10 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 2335059)
And while I'm at it, things you "won" on eBay... for f***s sake, you bought it, you didn't win it, it's not a game of tennis, there's no competition in it, you just thought it worth more than the other guy.

You don't win the item - you win the auction!

Don't have ebay in NZ; instead we have tradme which is just NZ sellers. Fewer auctions than ebay, but it is actually quite good! One thing they do (which can be good or annoying depending on your point of view) is if a bid is placed in the last 2 mins of the auction, then it will automatically extend by 2 mins! Just gives people a chance to counterbid and no point in last second snipes.

tigersaw 04-08-10 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lukemillar (Post 2335872)
if a bid is placed in the last 2 mins of the auction, then it will automatically extend by 2 mins! Just gives people a chance to counterbid and no point in last second snipes.

Exactly how a real auction works - I've not been to any car auctions where a clock is ticking down.
How yahoo auctions used to do it (before ebay muscled them out).

Specialone 04-08-10 06:37 AM

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What about single bids as well, you put in the max you wanna pay and thats it, no other bids allowed, would stop the last ditch bidding that really fooking annoys me, albeit i beat a tossa last week for a rack for my drz, i held the highest bid for days then 30 secs to go a higher bid, but i was prepared this time, my bid ended up being 50p more and i got it in with 4 secs to spare, ha, knobber.
Wasnt even that bothered to have that particular one, just pleasing to finally get my own back :)

Berlin 04-08-10 06:41 AM

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Just use Esnipe. Problem solved.

C

Stig 04-08-10 07:55 AM

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Can't see what the fuss is about to be honest. No bid was made so you were effectively not involved in the bidding. No bids, so auction withdrawn. That's the way it goes sometimes. You didn't win or lose anything.

I always put my maximum bid in from the start. I consider what I think it's worth or how much I am willing to pay and bid that. I'll then forget about it until after the auction and wait for an email to let me know if I won or lost the auction. If someone wants to put in a snipe bid a few pence or pounds above my maximum, then fine. They were obviously prepared to pay more for the item than I was. Simples.

Electro 04-08-10 08:00 AM

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The OP won the item Stig. Big difference between watching and bidding.

Stig 04-08-10 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Electro (Post 2335926)
The OP won the item Stig. Big difference between watching and bidding.

Oh yes. So I see. Seems thread has moved on from original post.

Well then I would have been hacked off.

Electro 04-08-10 08:27 AM

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I`b buy it at the new price then fook him right off :)


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