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grimey121uk 12-10-10 07:34 PM
Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Is it legal to pop a wheelie?
Anyone ever got in trouble doing one?

Wideboy 12-10-10 07:34 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
no, its complete illegal



but fun

Cymraeg_Atodeg 12-10-10 07:35 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Classed as not being in control of the vehicle, as is riding no handed...

leebex 12-10-10 07:36 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
comes under something like not in total control of bike, as was watching on traffic cops on beeb 1 last week, along with power sliding a bike along the A23 :cool::cool:

Dave20046 12-10-10 07:38 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
As above.
Yes, Bet number of members will have. flymo got dragged to court for it I believe (but won!)

Biker Biggles 12-10-10 07:53 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
I believe its potentially a dangerous driving charge.A bit like speeding at three figures plus a fair bit they tend to regard it as DD almost automaically and you have to prove it wasnt.Tricky when plod gives evidence that it was.

dyzio 12-10-10 08:02 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
A boy up here got banned for 6 months.

hongman 12-10-10 08:06 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
No worries here, I cant get my bike to wheelie yet, the few times I've tried.

(Flame away...)

I guess under the right circumstances you could try claiming it was accidental? lol

Specialone 12-10-10 08:12 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
You'd get away with a little one when pulling away from a stop, but if you looked like you was trying to do one, then i guess they would shaft you.

Dave20046 12-10-10 08:15 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hongman (Post 2392151)
I guess under the right circumstances you could try claiming it was accidental?
In control of the vehicle?

Milky Bar Kid 12-10-10 08:15 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hongman (Post 2392151)
I guess under the right circumstances you could try claiming it was accidental? lol

Erm...no...not a good plan. Will deffo get you booked with a careless driving (section 3 RTA) at a minimum.

Best plan? Don't do them on a public road.

hongman 12-10-10 08:20 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Please explain where I insinuated it should be a planned act. Keywords being "under the right circumstances".

Would you book someone for a little slide round a corner (backend wiggle)? Not in total control of the vehicle, completely accidental. Who hasnt done it?

I'm obviously not saying you should use that as an excuse for pulling a **** off monster wheelie down the road, but a little one pulling away or similar, you could try and wiggle out of.

Biker Biggles 12-10-10 08:23 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
We had a plummer on here once who put it like this-----Anything less than two wheels touching the road is a nick.

Dave20046 12-10-10 08:24 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hongman (Post 2392174)
Who hasnt done it?
Doesn't really stand up in court very well :D
If you're riding like a d1ck you do it at your own risk, there's not too many defences you can use unfortunately.

squirrel_hunter 12-10-10 08:37 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Why wheelie? You're faster if both wheels are on the ground.

Berlin 12-10-10 08:39 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
I nearly hit the Chief of North yorkshire police a few years back... just as I snicked into second on a wheelie, he stepped out in front of me and put his hand up for me to stop!

Having *just* missed him I turned around and went absolutely Banzai on him. An absolute tyrade!

I accused HIM of dangerous behaviour and trying to deliberately cause an accident. I was going to have him in court. He smugly grinned at me expecting to throw the book at me until he suddenly realised we were on a closed road and he was very much in the wrong!. I wish I'd video'd the grovelling apology!

Never had trouble since, but then I've never been caught since.

C

Milky Bar Kid 12-10-10 08:42 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hongman (Post 2392174)
Please explain where I insinuated it should be a planned act. Keywords being "under the right circumstances".

Would you book someone for a little slide round a corner (backend wiggle)? Not in total control of the vehicle, completely accidental. Who hasnt done it?

I'm obviously not saying you should use that as an excuse for pulling a **** off monster wheelie down the road, but a little one pulling away or similar, you could try and wiggle out of.
No, i am saying the plan of saying it was an accident is not a good plan!

Technically, yes, I could book someone for having a little slide around a corner, as clearly you are not in proper control of the vehicle and have taken a corner too fast. Whether I would or not is a different matter.

And if someone used that line of "it was accidental" for doing a wheelie, no matter how small, when pulling away, I could almost guarentee I would book them. I have never done it yet so in my opinion, an "accidental" one would show you being less in control of your vehicle than a bloody planned one!

However, should anyone wish to follow the "accidental" advice, feel free.

Like I said, best advice....infact, no, best advice is S_H's!

hongman 12-10-10 08:51 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave20046 (Post 2392181)
Doesn't really stand up in court very well :D
If you're riding like a d1ck you do it at your own risk, there's not too many defences you can use unfortunately.
haha, I know, but you've taken it out of context - "Who hasnt done it" meaning who hasnt lost control of their vehicle, however minor, at some point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid (Post 2392203)
No, i am saying the plan of saying it was an accident is not a good plan!

Technically, yes, I could book someone for having a little slide around a corner, as clearly you are not in proper control of the vehicle and have taken a corner too fast. Whether I would or not is a different matter.

And if someone used that line of "it was accidental" for doing a wheelie, no matter how small, when pulling away, I could almost guarentee I would book them. I have never done it yet so in my opinion, an "accidental" one would show you being less in control of your vehicle than a bloody planned one!

However, should anyone wish to follow the "accidental" advice, feel free.

Like I said, best advice....infact, no, best advice is S_H's!
Ok I see, apologies.

Without sounding argumentative, I know for a fact people have wheelied by accident. I've seen it first hand - hand apparently slipped off the clutch lever.

I dont doubt it is within your very power to book someone in these circumstances, but really, would you? I mean, just becuase you've never done it accidentally, doesnt mean someone else cannot.

If the police booked a biker for having a little wiggle round a corner by means of a genuine accident, I'd be inclined to think they were taking the P1ss. Not all about hitting a corner too quick, there can be soooo many factors as you well know.

Afterall, noone is perfect 100% of the time.

Berlin 12-10-10 08:54 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Surely to pull a decent wheelie you have to be in supreme control of your vehicle? Likewise with a power slide etc.

Surely someone who is very good at wheelying is a better and more controlled rider that one that can't? They are more aware of the limits and function of the vehicle and able to control it to an extremely high degree.

On the Law's logic, a stunt rider is the most dangerous and out of control person on a bike when it could be argued the exact opposite. Jenson Button is more dangerous in a car because he can do more things with that car. Likewise Valentino Rossi on a bike.

Sometimes the law is donkey shaped. And lets not forget that the law is in place to protect the thickest members of our society and the law *should* apply less the more inteligence that a person has.

A blanket speed limit is in place because the powers that be deem 30mph to be a safe speed for the most utterly useless driver in the UK to travel at in a built up area. The more able the driver the higher technically they could be travelling to achieve the same end result (the avoidance of an accident). Nigel mansel has sharper reaction times and better car control than a mong that shops at iceland and read heat magazine and punches her friend on X factor.

Oh, slap me, I'm controvertial! :)

C

Milky Bar Kid 12-10-10 09:02 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hongman (Post 2392211)
haha, I know, but you've taken it out of context - "Who hasnt done it" meaning who hasnt lost control of their vehicle, however minor, at some point.



Ok I see, apologies.

Without sounding argumentative, I know for a fact people have wheelied by accident. I've seen it first hand - hand apparently slipped off the clutch lever.

I dont doubt it is within your very power to book someone in these circumstances, but really, would you? I mean, just becuase you've never done it accidentally, doesnt mean someone else cannot.

If the police booked a biker for having a little wiggle round a corner by means of a genuine accident, I'd be inclined to think they were taking the P1ss. Not all about hitting a corner too quick, there can be soooo many factors as you well know.

Afterall, noone is perfect 100% of the time.
I'm not saying accidental wheelies don't happen. The point I am trying to make is that it could be argued that an "accidental" wheelie is an example of not being in proper control of your vehicle and as such, could be liable to a Section 3 charge. It would depend on the circumstances whether I booked them or not if it was really accidental but I was replying to the suggestion of "passing it off as accidental" as you suggested.

And as for it not about hitting a corner too quick. If you go around a bend and the back end slides out, you are going to quick. Perhaps not for the actual bend, but for the road conditions (diesel, gravel, oil, mud, puddle). So yes, TECHNICALLY, it could be construed as careless driving/riding.

I didn't say I would though.

monkey 12-10-10 09:18 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2392216)
Stuff
If a power slide or wheelie go wrong the risk of harm to Joe public is greatly increased over someone behaving themselves.

I do agree that good stunters have ultimate control however, along with a lot of broken bikes in their past.

hongman 12-10-10 09:19 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Berlin, agree 100%.

MBK, points taken, (Get it? LOL) nothing more to add at this point ;)

davepreston 12-10-10 09:36 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid;2392223

And as for it not about hitting a corner too quick.[COLOR=Red
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If you go around a bend and the back end slides out, you are going to quick.wrong Perhaps not for the actual bend, but for the road conditions (diesel, gravel, oil, mud, puddle)wrong. So yes, TECHNICALLY, it could be construed as careless driving/riding.

I didn't say I would though.fair enough
so you take a corner on a 50mph road at 35mph, 20 mins earlier a truck droped 100 ltrs of desil over the entire corner thus slippy rd, so acording to your logic your spidy sence should have went off before the corner or your a careless driver
in such intances i would use the "my physic powers dont turn on till after 9pm" defence

Milky Bar Kid 12-10-10 09:49 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davepreston (Post 2392294)
so you take a corner on a 50mph road at 35mph, 20 mins earlier a truck droped 100 ltrs of desil over the entire corner thus slippy rd, so acording to your logic your spidy sence should have went off before the corner or your a careless driver
in such intances i would use the "my physic powers dont turn on till after 9pm" defence
No, its not my logic, its the laws. At the end of the day you should be going round a corner at a speed that you are able to stop safely if you need to. So what if you are going round said corner and the actual truck is stopped (presuming its a blind corner)......

and I don't believe there would be nothing to warn you of said diesel....100 ltrs is a lot and other cars are bound to have driven through it....

To me, your riding/driving plan should take into account "things which you can reasonably expect" and I would suggest that diesel in the road is "expected". At least, I do, but perhaps thats because I have been caught out before.

But like I said, doesn't mean you would ACTUALLY get booked. I am talking in "TECHNICALLY" terms. And even if you did get booked, doesn't mean it would go anywhere....CPS would likely bin it.

hongman 12-10-10 09:59 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Technically I could probably get booked for flicking a booger at my wife but in reality...

I;m not even sure what my point is, just popped into my head. Poor wifey.

davepreston 12-10-10 09:59 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid (Post 2392326)

and I don't believe there would be nothing to warn you of said diesel....100 ltrs is a lot and other cars are bound to have driven through it....
now thats a bold statement, i sure you know some rds near you that are very rarely used. and i dont know how long youve been riding or milage done but in mine and others i know others experiance diesel is not always obvious and tbh is only really obvious in wet/damp conditions

To me, your riding/driving plan should take into account "things which you can reasonably expect" and I would suggest that diesel in the road is "expected".in that case do you expect mass diesel on every corner and every rd to the point of its a ice rink if so do you go everywhere at 1 mph
At least, I do, but perhaps thats because I have been caught out before.

But like I said, doesn't mean you would ACTUALLY get booked. I am talking in "TECHNICALLY" terms. And even if you did get booked, doesn't mean it would go anywhere....CPS would likely bin it.
yep i agreed with your point of prosicutions in the first qoute

Milky Bar Kid 12-10-10 10:02 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davepreston (Post 2392347)
yep i agreed with your point of prosicutions in the first qoute

Meh...I was making the point IT IS NOT MY LOGIC!!!!! anyway, we are meant to be talking about wheelies...not diesel..:smt019

orose 12-10-10 10:05 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
I think you'd get the spidy sense twig on 100 litres of diesel because you'd smell it about 250 yards away.

The guideline I prefer to use is the golden rule from roadcraft, which says that you should be able to stop safely on your own side of the road in the distance you can see to be clear. If you can't see around the bend, then you should be prepared to stop in case you tip into the bend and find your mate laid out on the white line and his bike scattered across the carrigeway.

I suspect also that wheelying is one of the things that can attract one of those vehicular asbos, just to add another reason why it might be a bad idea.

ryanh1418 13-10-10 07:35 AM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2392216)
Surely to pull a decent wheelie you have to be in supreme control of your vehicle? Likewise with a power slide etc.

Surely someone who is very good at wheelying is a better and more controlled rider that one that can't? They are more aware of the limits and function of the vehicle and able to control it to an extremely high degree.

On the Law's logic, a stunt rider is the most dangerous and out of control person on a bike when it could be argued the exact opposite. Jenson Button is more dangerous in a car because he can do more things with that car. Likewise Valentino Rossi on a bike.

Sometimes the law is donkey shaped. And lets not forget that the law is in place to protect the thickest members of our society and the law *should* apply less the more inteligence that a person has.

A blanket speed limit is in place because the powers that be deem 30mph to be a safe speed for the most utterly useless driver in the UK to travel at in a built up area. The more able the driver the higher technically they could be travelling to achieve the same end result (the avoidance of an accident). Nigel mansel has sharper reaction times and better car control than a mong that shops at iceland and read heat magazine and punches her friend on X factor.

Oh, slap me, I'm controvertial! :)

C
The whole 'proper control' point is a bit of a layman's term when it comes to careless driving. The two are actually separate offences. So yes, you can argue that the stunt rider is demonstrating immense skill and control of his vehicle but by performing his stunts on a public road his standard of driving would be below that expected of a careful and competent driver - which is what careless driving is actually about. I'd argue it was FAR below the standard expected and therefore dangerous, but the Criminal Protection Society wouldn't listen to that for very long.

Just ask yourself, would you have done it on your test, deliberately or accidentally, and expect to pass?

As for the speed limit thing, you haven't mentioned observation and anticipation whatsoever - they're the true skills of a great driver ON THE ROAD. Nigel Mansell et al might have great skills on a track but they don't transfer to the road as far as safe driving is concerned. 30 is 30 because even at that speed accidents can happen that are completely unavoidable from the driver/rider's side of things, regardless of skill/intelligence/choice of frozen food retailer etc but at least at those speeds there's a chance of whoever dropped a b0llock surviving to live another day. Whether that's a good thing or us getting in the way of natural selection is a different debate all together!

simesb 13-10-10 07:55 AM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Berlin (Post 2392216)
A blanket speed limit is in place because the powers that be deem 30mph to be a safe speed for the most utterly useless driver in the UK to travel at in a built up area
Whilst I agree with the rest 100%, the 30mph limit is for the safety of pedestrians, not drivers. People are poor at judging how fast a car is moving, and the faster it is moving the poorer they are at it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid (Post 2392223)
The point I am trying to make is that it could be argued that an "accidental" wheelie is an example of not being in proper control of your vehicle and as such, could be liable to a Section 3 charge.
A wheelie is relatively noticeable (depending on the hoist), but does this also apply to cars that get any wheelspin leaving lights? Or lock up a wheel under braking? Or is it because a bike cannot steer when on the back wheel?

Mej 13-10-10 08:29 AM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
not good for me my bike tries to pop up at least a couple of times a ride. :)

Owenski 13-10-10 08:58 AM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Whats this term "accidental wheelie" come from? surely unintentional would be better wording. Accidental suggests you've instantly lost control of the bike, unintentional makes it sound more like you flicked it a bit keen, it popped up, you giggled and put it back down - no harm no foul. Accidental give me the impression of someone setting off from some lights and falling off the back... like this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvUDl...eature=related

or is that just me?

yorkie_chris 13-10-10 01:40 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid (Post 2392223)
I'm not saying accidental wheelies don't happen. The point I am trying to make is that it could be argued that an "accidental" wheelie is an example of not being in proper control of your vehicle and as such, could be liable to a Section 3 charge. It would depend on the circumstances whether I booked them or not if it was really accidental but I was replying to the suggestion of "passing it off as accidental" as you suggested.

And as for it not about hitting a corner too quick. If you go around a bend and the back end slides out, you are going to quick. Perhaps not for the actual bend, but for the road conditions (diesel, gravel, oil, mud, puddle). So yes, TECHNICALLY, it could be construed as careless driving/riding.

I didn't say I would though.
I dunno, give it to a court and say you accelerated to avoid a risky situation (front of lights, cars looking like changing lanes etc) and the front left the ground momentarily... I reckon you would have a fair chance of defending that.

Either that or saying to them if on a charge related to not being in control "ey look, I can do a 6th gear wheelie for 3 miles... I was in perfect control..." Worth a go :mrgreen:

yorkie_chris 13-10-10 01:41 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by simesb (Post 2392533)
Or is it because a bike cannot steer when on the back wheel?
Orly?

Reeder 13-10-10 02:05 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
YouTube Video
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simesb 13-10-10 02:16 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkie_chris (Post 2392743)
Orly?
Fairy 'Nuff, stunters can do it at walking pace - show me a video of somebody doing it at 20+ mph ;)

mattSV 13-10-10 02:21 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grimey121uk (Post 2392093)
Is it legal to pop a wheelie?
Anyone ever got in trouble doing one?
Yes - this pr1ck:-

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8449...50mph_wheelie/

Reeder 13-10-10 02:22 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
YouTube Video
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Reeder 13-10-10 02:24 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattSV (Post 2392782)
Now that picture is one to be framed and hung in the hall.

simesb 13-10-10 02:25 PM
Re: Is it legal to wheelie?
 
I have to say I'm impressed. Countersteering is fiction after all :D


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