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EssexDave 31-12-10 03:12 PM

Fuel prices
 
All ready for the 3-4p[1] increase this weekend? :)

This is the culmination of the duty increase of 0.76p per litre, and the VAT increase.

hongman 31-12-10 03:26 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
I dont think we have a choice in the matter really, except to either walk/peddle or get public transport!

Why do you sound so cheerful about it? ;)

Ed 31-12-10 03:27 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
It's here already. The BP at Meole Brace (admin and darylB will know it) - £1.32/l for diesel. Rip off. I thought at first I'd picked up the go-faster pump, but no - it really was £1.32/l. Other places have yet to do it, still at £1.26/l.

So it's all tax:evil:

If I moan then some on here will jump on me. So I won't moan, I'll have a bloody great whinge. It's not fair, it's iniquitous, legalised theft, daylight robbery. *******s.

embee 31-12-10 03:29 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
...can't even afford to fire-bomb the b'stards now. :smt071

G 31-12-10 03:41 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
I just spent £62 filling my car which got me 450 miles. Was worth it to pick up some new leathers though :D

It is getting a tad expensive again... I don't k ow how haulage companies survive.

hongman 31-12-10 03:48 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
If I weren't so paranoid about using red diesal, I so would.

Milky Bar Kid 31-12-10 03:50 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
It's ridiculous. That is all I have to say on this matter

2hys 31-12-10 03:53 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hongman (Post 2449708)
If I weren't so paranoid about using red diesal, I so would.

wouldnt put it in th sv through.........lol

husky03 31-12-10 04:53 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
i'm buying a bio diesel processor in jan/feb-gonna cost me 80 pence a litre with new veg oil-machine will pay for itself before i know it

Scrawf 31-12-10 04:58 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Don't know about you but I think a lot of petrol stations are gradually pushing up the price of fuel BEFORE the hike in the new year. Anyone else noticed this?

Specialone 31-12-10 05:03 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
It really boils my carrots tbh :(

To make it worse as well, every fecking garage in my area is always bloody packed no matter what time of day, the total garage I use never used to be as busy as the morrisons up the road, but it is now and I found out why, you have to pay first, WTF is all that about ? I took my DRZ there on Tuesday so how the hell do I know how much it will take?
So I wait in queue, pay £8, brim it, £7.60, so have to wait in the fecking queue again to get my 40p back, no wonder the garage is slow and packed.
Surely this must be hurting their profits ?

danf1234 31-12-10 05:09 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Ah great another dent in my NON- Pay rise this year!

leebex 31-12-10 05:11 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by specialone (Post 2449768)
It really boils my carrots tbh :(

To make it worse as well, every fecking garage in my area is always bloody packed no matter what time of day, the total garage I use never used to be as busy as the morrisons up the road, but it is now and I found out why, you have to pay first, WTF is all that about ? I took my DRZ there on Tuesday so how the hell do I know how much it will take?
So I wait in queue, pay £8, brim it, £7.60, so have to wait in the fecking queue again to get my 40p back, no wonder the garage is slow and packed.
Surely this must be hurting their profits ?

What a crap idea that is, ok for car users who put in say £20 or £30 but how do you know how much a full tank will equal.

The petrol stations round my way are about £1.24 upwards, I notice sainsburys in a couple of the nearby towns are the cheapest of all the forecourts.

-Ralph- 31-12-10 05:14 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by specialone (Post 2449768)
you have to pay first, WTF is all that about ?

Getting more and more common in Brum. The more the price of fuel rises, the more drive off thefts they are getting.

Stonesie 31-12-10 05:15 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
What boils my juices is that we are forced to pay tax on a tax with fuel, that is all I'm going to say (vat is calculated on the value after the duty is added):smt076:smt067

Ed 31-12-10 06:26 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Happy New Year, Cameron you rich toff. All OK for him, if you're a multi millionaire and get driven everywhere in a Jaguar at our expense then of course you won't be complaining. Living where we do there is no choice but to have two cars. The bus service is a joke, the train goes through the village but the station went with Beeching n the 1960s.

hongman 31-12-10 06:42 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
I'd actively go out of my way to make sure I never used a station that made you pay up front, its a joke!

Ed 31-12-10 06:52 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hongman (Post 2449851)
I'd actively go out of my way to make sure I never used a station that made you pay up front, its a joke!

Property rights in the fuel transfer when you put it in your tank (R-v-Edwards) so they introduced the Theft Act 1978 (new offence of making off without payment) to address this. Around here it's on the increase too.

Specialone 31-12-10 07:00 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
It's very common in the states and I bloody hate it, it's double handling and more time consuming for punter and garage.

husky03 31-12-10 07:02 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
i'd rather pay at the pump than go inside.

MisterTommyH 31-12-10 07:13 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by husky03 (Post 2449866)
i'd rather pay at the pump than go inside.

I would if they ever refilled the till rolls so that you can get a VAT receipt put of the pump! It's a great idea in principle, but the garages don't maintain them.

Ed 31-12-10 07:44 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by husky03 (Post 2449866)
i'd rather pay at the pump than go inside.

Depends if you need some sundries;)

barwel1992 31-12-10 07:48 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by husky03 (Post 2449866)
i'd rather pay at the pump than go inside.

+1 also means i dont buy fizzy drinks that i shouldn't

Stonesie 31-12-10 07:51 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
And if you pay at the pump you can leave your lid on...

steveg 31-12-10 08:24 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
getting close to 25 quid now to fill the sprint , its crazy

However the choice of public transport which is expensive and un-reliable don't have a choice

Cheers Steve

Specialone 31-12-10 09:19 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steveg (Post 2449907)
getting close to 25 quid now to fill the sprint , its crazy

However the choice of public transport which is expensive and un-reliable don't have a choice

Cheers Steve

Feck me steve, mines never took more than £17 brimmed !!

-Ralph- 31-12-10 09:25 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
20 litre fuel tank mate, you've obviously never let it run that dry

EssexDave 31-12-10 09:26 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Hong, I'm not happy about it other than the fact I'm now driving a diesel doing about 55-60mpg rather than my 25-30mpg astra.

It also makes the game of 'how many miles to a full tank' more interesting, although last month, I lost by about 150 miles....agressive with the right foot a little?

My personal opinion of this is that I can understand why, but I don't agree with the way they are implementing it. When fuel prices rise, companies have no choice but to increase charge on haulage, which means increased prices in shops, with the increased VAT and probably increased prices to protect profit margins, with most people not getting a pay increase, and some with a pay cut, I can't see how this is really fair.

Now, I know they have an income and an expenditure, and at the minute, it doesn't balance, but there are other means, and despite this generating a huge source of income, that is at the expense of a lot of people that can ill afford it.

Me for PM!

-Ralph- 31-12-10 09:32 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EssexDave (Post 2449925)
Hong, I'm not happy about it other than the fact I'm now driving a diesel doing about 55-60mpg rather than my 25-30mpg astra.

It also makes the game of 'how many miles to a full tank' more interesting, although last month, I lost by about 150 miles....agressive with the right foot a little?

My personal opinion of this is that I can understand why, but I don't agree with the way they are implementing it. When fuel prices rise, companies have no choice but to increase charge on haulage, which means increased prices in shops, with the increased VAT and probably increased prices to protect profit margins, with most people not getting a pay increase, and some with a pay cut, I can't see how this is really fair.

Now, I know they have an income and an expenditure, and at the minute, it doesn't balance, but there are other means, and despite this generating a huge source of income, that is at the expense of a lot of people that can ill afford it.

Me for PM!

It's not fair, but then life isn't.

The worrying thing is that it reduces the amount of money people have in their pockets, so spending drops. If spending drops then less goods and services get bought, which means people employed to supply those goods and services are made redundant, which means less money in peoples pockets, so spending drops. See where this is going?

The only way to recovery in the economy is to get people spending again.

Specialone 31-12-10 09:36 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ralph- (Post 2449924)
20 litre fuel tank mate, you've obviously never let it run that dry

I fill up when light comes on, anyway thought it was 18litres ?

steveg 31-12-10 10:19 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
the early sprint plastic tank is 21 L

With the price of unleaded locally approx £1.25 per litre

21 L * £1.25 = £26.25

Normally fuel up 180 - 200 miles and put 18 - 20 l in

Cheers Steve

thefallenangel 01-01-11 09:19 AM

Re: Fuel prices
 
so diesel will be £1.27 a litre from today and probably £1.31 a litre from tuesday. Ouch. Thank god for my works fuel card is all i can say.


I genuinely feel sorry for people who have to run 2 cars in a household even with a super efficent car (50+ mpg) and an 11 gallon tank it's costing 10p per mile in fuel alone compared to 7.2p when it was 80p less than 4 years ago. Inflation isn't that much surely.

So a 200 mile week now becomes £20 instead of £14.20 which times by 2 cars is over £11 a week more than 4 years ago, where people were making more money.

Crazy world people.

amnesia 01-01-11 10:52 AM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Motorists = cash cows.

Fuel prices have definitely crept up here over the last couple of weeks.

A local Shell garage has a £60 limit on their pay at pump too, so you cant even fill your tank in a single transaction with them!

Bluefish 01-01-11 11:14 AM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by specialone (Post 2449931)
I fill up when light comes on, anyway thought it was 18litres ?

rtfm, ;)

Berlin 01-01-11 11:33 AM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by husky03 (Post 2449750)
i'm buying a bio diesel processor in jan/feb-gonna cost me 80 pence a litre with new veg oil-machine will pay for itself before i know it

That's approx what I pay for mine from Costco.

But even the veg oil is going up! In July it was £14.35 for 20 litres from Costco. Now its £17.85! Thats nearly a 40% increase and there's no VAT on Veg oil. Its that the faint whiff of rat I can smell? and amazingly Costco and Makro match each other to within pennies!

But its still cheaper than running Diesel. I'm running 75/25 Oil/Diesel at the moment as the pure oil freezes at about minus 2 and its running really well.

There's a guy on Ebay selling Oil for 25p a litre if you buy a ton at a time too.

C

husky03 01-01-11 11:40 AM

Re: Fuel prices
 
hi carl-happy new year mate-the machine i'm getting can process either new or used veg oil but i've found that the takeaways and the like are now getting a deduction from the suppliers to return there used oil to them for reprocessing-still gonna work out cheaper buying new stuff than payin for dino diesel.

h.

-Ralph- 01-01-11 12:07 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Sounds like a central heating oil tank in your garden somewhere may be a worthwhile investment, but you'd need some kind of insulation or heating around it.

Can any diesel vehicle run on this stuff, ie: modern common rail turbo, or it it just older more agricultural engines?

fizzwheel 01-01-11 12:10 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Its getting expensive, I picked up the wrong pump at the fuel station the other day and put BP Ultimate Diesel in, instead of normal diesel, was £1.39 a litre. Both the Audi and Maverick have 70 litre tanks so takes £85 there or there abouts to fill.

Not happy about it, but what can you do. Its changed the way I drive now. I guess expensive fuel is much more of a speeding deterent than speed camera's are !

fizzwheel 01-01-11 12:11 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ralph- (Post 2450048)
Can any diesel vehicle run on this stuff, ie: modern common rail turbo, or it it just older more agricultural engines?

No you need to be careful. Both the Maverick and the Audi cant run on it and the engine in the Maverick is ancient in design. Its something to do with the Fuel Pump seals not liking vegetable oil IIRC.

We stay away from Morrisons now with the Audi as their diesel has a % of bio diesel in it which the manual says not to use.

husky03 01-01-11 12:24 PM

Re: Fuel prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ralph- (Post 2450048)
Sounds like a central heating oil tank in your garden somewhere may be a worthwhile investment, but you'd need some kind of insulation or heating around it.

Can any diesel vehicle run on this stuff, ie: modern common rail turbo, or it it just older more agricultural engines?


Ralph check this

http://www.goldenray.co.uk/


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