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http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/28022011/36...h-80mph-0.html

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Be honest, if you drive at 70mph on any clear, free running motorway, do you overtake anything except lorries?

It's long past time we re-assessed speed limits. Lowering them is not always the way forward, we all know the story of how the 70mph limit came into being. Cars are waaaaaaaay more advanced than back then. The only fly in the pudding is that drivers are not evolving...

I'd be glad to see an increse on motorways.

Pete ;)

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lovely idea


therefore will never happen

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Since when is there a speed limit on motorways? :smt104

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Drive faster, use more fuel, spend more at the pump, generate more revenue for the government, i`d say it will happen if you go by that!!

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Personally I would raise it to 100. and take off the governors from trucks. The governed speed is the root cause of the bunching that eats into 2 lanes of the motorway

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ahhh my friend here's a few other things you should know
blue flashy lights mean ,move out of the way or stop the person behind wants a word

a big white flash behind you means, you must pay the goverment more money than you already do

a white sign with a black line diagonally across it doesnt mean, warp factor 3 mr sulu

hth

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it will never happen.

we have a bunch of old fuddy duddys running this country.

they would have to spend money on new signs

they would gain less revenue from speeding tickets

and as bluepete pointed out the standard of the average motorist driving ability in the country is shocking.

what would be better is a 'special licence holder' test which allowed you to travel at 90 on motorways but would only be valid for 3 years then a resit.

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well why should I apply for one of those when its obvious I'm perfectly capable already?

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but are you?

have you been 'tested' to see if you are capable?

at the moment according to your test standard you are only able to do 70mph

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France is 110 in the wet and 130 in the dry. They've got it about right IMO. I wouldn't mind sticking to the limit if it were more realistic, but 80 can be inappropriate in some weather conditions, and before anybody starts with the nanny state argument, you all ride motorbikes, and you all know your average car driver can't be trusted to make their own risk assessments!

The way it is at the moment, you might as well do 95mph as 80 mph, it's the same penalty, so drivers take the "in for a penny in for a pound" approach and decide if they are going to risk a speeding ticket, they may as well do it properly and reduce their journey times by a decent margin in the process. If the guidelines for a court appearance were kept the same at anything more than 25mph over, those same drivers would just do 105 in an 80 limit, instead of 95 in a 70.

If the limit was increased, enforcement would also need to be increased, ie: average speed cameras everywhere, but then I doubt most drivers would mind the speed cameras if they could do 80 through them.

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weelll I ain't caused any accident yet, nor fallen off at that speed.;)

+1
Much more realistic, I found it most pleasant riding over there.

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who would bother applying for that test, especially if the resit is 3 years later?

Chances are anyone applying to that would believe they have the means and financial ability to sit the test, so these same people would probably think doing 90 consistently for 3 years might be worth the trade off in terms of chances they'd get caught.

And if you sat this test, would you still not want to go over 90?

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No they wouldn't, motorways are NSL which is just one sign not a "70" sign, they could just rewrite the rules a bit to say that the motorway NSL is 80.

Would be a more sensible progression, dual carriageways can still be NSL and have T junctions going across them, would make sense for these to remain 70, motorways with only easy sweeping junctions to become 80.

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Bibio is quite correct, because he lives in Scotland, where there are 70 signs on entry to quite a few of the motorways.

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i can see your points but would you rather that everyone in the uk was able to drive at higher speeds?

the only people that moan about resits are those that scraped past their test in the first place. any capable driver should be able to pass a driving test at any time. if they cant then they should not be on the roads.

setting a strict test would ensure that those individuals that are not capable would not gain such a licence.

i'm also a firm belever in test resits after 10 years of first passing then when you get to 60 you take another test every 5 years then at 70 its every 3 then at 79 its every 2 years and if you are good enough to get to 90 then i think you should be given a 'free for all' licence which entitles you to do what ever you want on the roads coz lets face it at 90 you aint got that long to go so let them enjoy themselves they should also get a free car, insurance and road tax.

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Yes, when conditions are safe to do so.

80 or 85 on the motorway would mean less people speeding. I'd also allow trucks to do 65 as the reduced speed differential would improve safety.

However I'd like to see it done with further policing to attack BAD driving not "illegal" driving which is never going to happen.

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I think BP's words were "on a fine day where the road is suitable for it, a white circle with black diagonal line means fast as f**k in my book"

Paul ;)

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Yes yes yes yes yes yes where do I sign for regular re-testing. I would happily pay the test fee's if it means the moron's who some magically gained a driving licence were weeded out as a result of regular re-testing, and if I happened to fail a retest then atleast attention has been brought to my poor driving..

The only people who agree with me & bibio on regular retesting are the ones who are happy to have their driving judged more than once, and the ones who moan seem to say "well I ain't crashed yet" - if you're so confident that you don't need testing because you're so good, why not just go and pass the retest - you know you're good enough :)

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It doesn't help, but by far the biggest cause of bunching on 2 lanes is all the silly c***s who just sit in the middle lane for hours on end when there is feck all in the inside lane.

Proper lane discipline should be taught from the outset.

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I'm for the retesting but against the expense. It's expensive enough trying to do any bloody thing without another rip off.

I'd be for a course or something provided by private firms, maybe something like 2 or 3 hours worth of pass-plus style thing. I'd set the pass standard fairly low, more a course than a test, but high enough that any proper mongs would need some further training to brush up.

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Not retesting, re assessing is what I'm in favour of, maybe make it linked to insurance ?

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These morons passed first time whats stopping them passing again? Better just having stricter penalties if caught driving dangerously, rather than put everyone through the stress of being examined. Completely against it.

A better option IMO is regular driver training, like the various courses some of you do here.

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:)

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That is KPH though.

I think a lot of bad driving is down to lack of knowledge. Old biddies sitting in the middle lane probably don't know any better (or are aware of the problems they cause) and probably do it for a different reason than the salesman in the 3 series up everyone's back side.

Re-testing/training would help, especially teaching drivers about lane discipline, the legalities of filtering, use of box junctions, indication, spacing, how to turn off fog lights! etc.

It's bad driving not speeding that causes most accidents

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130kph is 80mph

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yeah, long day :(

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the standard of being able to drive in this country is shocking. why?

well my wife according to 'those that be' is capable of driving a 'suitably adapted vehicle' which put bluntly is an adapted car.

now according to them they are going to let a half paralysed person that suffers from dysphasia (google it) as she had part of her brain removed. out on the open roads in charge of a vehicle by herself. she had a full uk driving licence before the haemorrhage and because of this she does not need to pass a full driving test the assessment was all she needed.

so what does that say about driving standards in the uk?

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One dangerous side effect of raising the speed limit on motorways, is that you will still have the knuckle draggers that currently join motorways at 45mph on a clear day with traffic moving at 70mph
Imagine a 100mph limit with these idiots around.

Unless they just increase the limit in the outer lanes?

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I don't think raising the limit will necessarily reduce speeding, people in foreign countries with higher limits don't speed less, they just drive faster than the speeders do here. Same in countries with the same limits but less enforcement.

Enforcement is the only thing that will reduce speeding, as seen in France in the last ten years where the 100mph which was the norm has now dropped considerably closer to the 80mph limit.

An 80mph limit here, with no change in enforcement, will see your salesman in the 3 series doing 100mph, instead of the 90mph he does now.

The M40, and the Leicestershire section on the M1 from the M69 to the M6/A14, already has lane 3 running at 100mph on a regular basis, due to lack of enforcement.

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Love this... :-)

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Only country that has the right idea is Germany.

Why should my bike wihich can do 100-0 in about 2 seconds be governed by the same laws as a smart car??

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I was under the impression that cars stopped a lot quicker :confused:

Due to the 4 fat tyres

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Well you know what I mean, I have good brakes on my bike, on my car as well. Yet the highway code and the speed limits are based on 1960s cars with drums all round.

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The Gov't won't pay for the cost of the vast number of re-sits, failures, appeals etc. There are enough people driving without a licence now anyway, re-tests would just increase this number.

The flip side of the argument is more enforcement. However, as I pointed out, there are fewer traffic cops out there than ever before. We (GMP) are now running with only 150 for the entire farce. That's split betweeen five shifts, and there's never a full compliment available due to court, training, sickness, fatalities etc.

As for the idea that some drivers can have a special licence to speed - you'd still get stopped and have to go through the rigmarole of checking you are entiltled and would loose the benifit of the higher speed in the time you spend on the hard shoulder.

Realistically though, driving standards in the UK are so p1ss poor and lane discipline so none-existant that it would make no difference to average speeds unless the motorway was practically empty.

Pete ;)

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Higher speed limit would be nice- but all the idiot c**ts that sit in lane 3 below the speed limit make it hard to reach the existing one these days anyway!

I agree on lane discipline. It's getting awful out there. Really taking the fun out of riding.

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being able to pass in any lane might help. But I agree BP, lane discipline and general consideration is missing on our roads. I've resorted to undertaking (very carefully!) in the car when I've had enough of the lane hoggers but I know I'm the one that will get done. Surprising how many people do actually pull in to the slow lane after yet when you sit behind them the appear oblivious. That's why I think its ignorance rather than selfishness/arrogance that is 'often' the problem.

I love driving in France, even if they get a bit close sometimes you know what they are going to do, it's very predictable and lane discipline is very good. Overtaking and moving back to the first lane, even when you might need to pull out again 30 seconds later keeps you more alert too on long journeys.

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Well at least Peg can use 40% of his bikes full speed potential then:rolleyes:


People generally ride/drive more than 70 anyway, I doubt it would make people speed up all the more, just even things out a bit more.

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If your idea of fun is any road with more than 1 lane you need to have a word with yourself!

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Agreed apart from fish hill over this neck of the woods, twisty dual carriageway :)
A44 coming out of broadway, can't post a link as on phone, it's ace.
Ignore the Bromyard bit as I got confused.

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