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I've been stealthily reading others clutch issues for 2 weeks for the answer :(

Have replaced the clutch plates on my SK3 2003 vintage pointy as they were starting to slip after a good 25k miles worth of abuse, I avidly read the rules back to front that were posted on the torrent site prior to fitting & made sure I put the new ones in exactly the way the old ones came out, replaced the gasket, oil, filter & water.....cleaned it all up & put it all back together again, but now I have no clutch at all, the lever is pringy, but its not actually grabbing the clutch, there is no pressure. It will go into gear, burt only with the engine off.

I did this about 2 weeks ago, have not had time to look at it again since as it's no longer my main means of transport...

Have adjusted the clutch both ways at the lever, but not at adjuster near the front sprocket as I'm not really sure how that works.

Any ideas anyone... I bet this is really simple, I also need to get it MOT'd so really need to get it done this week if I can.

Thanks

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What oil have you used? if its does not have JASO MA stamped on it then its not suitable for bikes with wet clutches and would promote clutch slip like you have experienced.

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adjusting the cable will only work if the primary adjuster is correct (the front sprocket one), there are a number of threads covering it so look one of them up( seach under title only "clutch adjustment"), you'll need a 10mm spanner and a flat blade scewdriver, it takes all of 20 minutes max.

Cheers Mark.

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[QUOTE=warmshed;2552705]What oil have you used? QUOTE] I used the same viscosity oil that came out of it.. never knew oil could have such an impact. Am not at home at the moment so cannot check, but it's defo good fully synthetic bike oil...

BTW - The clutch was slipping in its old guise, but since changes its not even there :(

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take sprocket cover off

set cable adjuster on engine casing about half way

set handlebar adjuster all the way in then about 1 turn out

undo locknut on wormgear (the bit you don't know how it works) turn screw in centre out about 2-3 turns then slowly turn it back in till you feel slight 'resistance' then back screw out 1/4 turn. while holding screw with screwdriver tighten locknut without moving the screw position.

adjust the handlebar adjuster till you have a little free play at clutch leaver.

tighten everything up and test the clutch operation. if the clutch is working then put sprocket cover back on.

on the wormgear screw there is a rod at the back you are looking for the screw to just touch this then back out a 1/4 turn.

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Now that sounsds like it!!! Will check this evening when I get home....thanks

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Knew I should have asked you guys 1st instead of my mum :)

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if you get stuck I'm riding around Surrey a good deal of the time, just give me a shout.

Cheers Mark.

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Thanks Mark, if I throw my spanners out of the toolbox so to speak I'll be straing onto you :) BTW thinking of getting an RC8, but I'm told crap engine reliability.....any views?

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How in hell does that sound like clutch slip?

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Right, came home early, set to work, adjusted the worm drive as advised. All good, the drive is now picking up the clutch, you can see it moving when you take off the oil filler cap, adjusted the cable at the lever & at the engine casing by the front sprocket but now the clutch does not lift, ie if I pull in the lever when its in gear with the engine off, the clutch should engage & the rear wheel should spin freely, it does not... Needs adjusting, but how? :confused:

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did you adjust the cable ends before of after you adjusted the wormgear?

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See this thread here by Anna for a good description of the procedure with some decent pics http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=126381

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Normal, it is lifting, but it's dragging a bit:

The various parts of the clutch when not engaged are not actually physically separated, particularly when cold the oil will be thick enough to allow the the parts of the clutch to drag against each other - it will never be fully free, that's just how they work. Try it again when it's fully hot- there will be significantly less drag.

To adjust clutch:

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It is normal for some resistance. It is a fair bit before it "cracks" and allows movement. Same reason why you get a bang putting it into first.

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....Should have said the wheel does not turn at all (its feels like it's in gear), I note the 'drag'. Explains why when I usually try to push the bike into the garage when it is in gear (clutch engaged), it is always more difficult then when it is in neutral, but this is like its in gear with the clutch disengaged..

I did the original adjustment to the cables prior to adjusting the wormgear :)

Will read the adjustment notes here & also Anna's notes & try again this evening

Cheers all... I'm sure I'll get there, but it's just a matter of if it will be before the summer is over...and so the saga continues... 8-[

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when you replaced the clutch plates did you remove the wormgear mechanism from the casing?

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No, Just changed the plates & springs :)

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the only other thing i can think of is the wormgear is grotted up but i suppose someone more knowalgble than me will be along sooner or later.

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It is normal to have to bounce a cold engine a bit to free the clutch off if you want to push it in gear for whatever reason.

Does the clutch lever feel normal in all regards or what?

You got paddock stand or workshop stand that can get back wheel in air? Just start it up, pop it in gear and see if it stalls if you press brake (with clutch held in, disengaged)

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Bit busy yesterday at the orifice & today, will make another start tomorrow :compcrash:

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Hi all, followed the instructions as on Anna's post & the instruction manual, same issue,the clutch will not engage when you pull it in. Also if engine is running & click into gear with clutch pulled in it just stalls (obviously if not on paddock stand where the wheel will just spin, clutch in or out). l'm pretty sure its still something simple, but I cannot figure it out?!

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Is the Clutch Pushrod installed ?

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Pushrod...

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Have attached a couple of pics

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In your first picture , the wormgear is at the bottom , Behind that should be a 6mm Diameter bar about 108mm long , when you operate the clutch lever the worm gear rotates and pushes the "Pushrod" into the engine to operate the clutch . The nut in the centre of the wormgear is the one that is adjusted , I trust that you have tried the method where you back it off , then wind it in slowly with a small screwdriver til it touches on then back off about 1/8th of a turn ?

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Yes, have done that on multiple occasions & to 1/8th of turn & 1/4 just in case fine tuning is really that fine, also tried pulling in clutch lever with one hand, adjusting worm gear to correct pressure with other & turning wheel with my foot, but the wheel still will not turn :(

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Ok , so there is a rod behind that worm gear though ?

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Yes, and the rod moves when you pull the clutch in & this engages the clutch.

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Ok so that is sorted then , when you filled the system with oil , how did you go about it ?

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really appreciate your help :) Oil - I put the new gasket on, put the cover on, put on a new filter then just filled it up, turned it over so the oil circulated around the system then topped it up to the correct level, and topped up the water obviously! thought that would have been pretty straight forward

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Basically if you put car oils in a bike with a wet clutch you will get clutch slip as they have detergent's added to the oil.

Although personally I would use the recommended Semi synthetic bike oil.

That's what my 25,000 mile SV runs on and I think using full might cause the same problem?

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I also only run it on fully or semi synthetic oil, definitely has correct oil in, also only run on super unleaded..its also now done 46k, bought on 3k, basically its just my transport to work & will be until it falls to pieces

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So you let it run for about 3 minutes or so , got the temp up to about 87 degrees , then shut off , waited 3 minutes , levelled the bike and adjusted oil level to suit yes ?

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well it got up to about 65c, but it was about 3 mins & it was a very warm day, then shut off & topped up. I may call out the RAC as I need to get it MOT'd..

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Aaah don`t be too hasty , we have the right oil , the right amount , a pushrod . Hmmm , now don`t take this the wrong way , have you had that worm gear off at all ?

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No worries all help is useful :) Worm gear has not been off at all,I'm wondering if my problem could lie with the actual clutch change, but I followed the instructions to the letter. Can I ask, when the new springs are put in, are they supposed to be done up tight, that is the only thing I can think might be amiss, they are done up tight, because the old ones were, but when they came out they were so compressed they were1/2 the size of the new ones

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Looking at your worm drive picture , you don`t half have that adjuster on the sprocket end of the cable wound right out you know , been a long time since I did mine but I am sure I had some thread showing at the bottom ..... like about 1/4" at least :/ . This only adjusts the cable like , won`t effect the clutch operation . Gonna try and narrow this down .

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Right , have you tried rocking the bike back and forth with the clutch lever pulled in ? And the bike in gear and no engine running ?

I`m also inclined to ask you to make sure your gear selector is free from cack , mine did something like this and the teflon bush thing inside was crocked and fouling gear selection . I ended up ripping it out and greasing it and it never gave me a problem again .

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Yeah you are right, but only going off what the manual says, I did adjust it in the other direction which gave me more slack at the lever, then adjusted it back, it could do with moving, but not much. Anyway enough from me for today, will log on tomorrow am to check on updates, but off out to dinner now. thanks for your perseverence :)