Soldier Beheaded in London
 

O.k so details are a bit sketchy, but here is the story :( RIP.

http://news.uk.msn.com/woolwich-shootings-latest/

Edit: Seems like a **** take to have this thread above one labelled 'faith in humanity restored'

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Deluded cowards, RIP

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Bring on a civil war with this scum. Ill be on the front line just give me my bayonet.

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Outrageous...

Twitter accounts say the victim in a help the heros t shirt was run over by the two men, who then jumped out and chopped his head of.

Unbelievable really... The police should have put a couple more bullets into them.

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Don't fancy their chances, they will get what they deserve i'm sure.

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Hang the *******s but not before brutally torturing them

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I'm Army and was working in Woolwich Hospital in uniform. I **** my pants all the way home on the tube. ****ing glad to be home!

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Pfft! They will be in prison on a cushy number for ages

Hopefully get shiv'd the ****bags

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Utterly disgusting.
Well ITV showed one of the perpetuators faces on the National News so most of London will out looking to get him.

For anyone that didn't see it http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/22/woolwi...-safe-3805419/

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/...op=1#038;h=384

Nah **** that! General population in Belmarsh or any Cat A Prison- eye for an eye... they will slowly butcher him (that will be after certain other places have some fun)

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With the advances in forensics the Death penaty need to be re introduced

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The two people casually stayed at the scene before getting popped by the police. Loads of pictures and videos on the net of the pair of them.

I'm shocked at the level of outrage on Facebook and other social media from otherwise normal calm people, so god knows what the likes of BNP and EDF are planning.

Hopefully the population remains calm and remembers that there is psychos in every corner of the country, you only have to look at the news papers daily... You have the Cregan character in court at the moment for killing two police and various others, but you don't see a witch hunt for all the white rough as hell gangster types frequenting the council estates of the UK, so we don't need witch hunts for any other types.

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The trouble is, even if prosecuted they'll be represented by some bleeding-heart lawyer who'll insist that they have to serve any sentence away from anyone who might want to harm them because that would infringe their human rights !!

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G, you are right, unfortunately because of facebollox and ****ter, they have achieved notoriety. Terrorism will only get more effective while bell ends immediately tweet this crap. That is the whole reason they do it.

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T w a t t e r.

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Where is Christopher Hitchens when you need him. Would have loved to hear his response to that video.

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Liveleaks Twitter user account of events

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/...9b&ec_rate=200

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Couldn't agree more. Violent nutcases come in all creeds and colours and in some ways, the likes of Cregan are slightly more disturbing as they're not brainwashed, misfit 'outsiders' in society as terrorists often are.

The unique weirdness of this I think it's what's really shocked people - killing someone in such a brutal way, then just standing round discussing it with gawping bystanders for ages until the police eventually turn up. You've even got some woman with her shopping trolley walking past in that video where one of the guys is talking, oblivious to what's happening.

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What a set of muppets. Hope they end up in their own private hell for a long time.

I don't believe any community wants this sort of thing. Maybe there are a minority in the muslim community that will rant and whine that it was a good thing... but they're just the black and white minstrel equivalent of the lager-swilling skinhead ex-footie hooligan EDL types.

I can kinda see the reasons for a lot of the them-us sort of culture that is common in a lot of places, there's an easy to spot cultural divide... and hell a lot of the asian chav types deserve a bloody good kicking... but some of the responses are downright scary and generally lead one to the conclusion that far too many people are so ignorant and dim witted as to be effectively walking potatoes except without the cultural or political sophistication.

Ironically the pic of one of these animals he looks african, not the ethnic group that most of these burger munching mail readers calling out for outright civil war would associate with islam at all...

Generally they kill other rough as hell gangster types which I don't have quite as much of a problem with!

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I think it's an absolute disgrace that our servicemen and women can't walk on our own streets without being attacked and even killed in this case. I would happily stick a bayonet in anyone who doesn't agree with our way of life and who doesn't support our troops.

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Having just read through an online news report, this, and seen the ITV news, I'm sat here with a heavy sick feeling in my stomach. Through all the speculation, social media hype, and lots of ideas about how to sort these types of people out the fact remains that a regular bloke, with family and friends like any one of us, was walking along the street and had his life taken away from him in a most horrific way. He was probably thinking about any number of things that he was going to be doing tonight, what his tea would be, which pub he would be going to, if he would be booking a holiday this summer with mates. He's then on the floor having been run down. I hope he was unaware of the following assault and the fatal injuries that were inflicted upon him. For ever more his family and friends will live with the knowledge that a loved one was taken from them in such a way. And the witnesses in the street will have those images to bare for a long time to come. There will be the extreem groups that will gather and fight for the cause, and a real risk of a riot situation could develop quickly.
I sit here feeling sick that this has happened, having seen the way the blokes acted after such an horrific act, thinking that it could happen again, in any area, at any time. I'm not a pessimistic man, I see a lot of good in things every day but I wonder what my 4 and 5 year old will grow up seeing/hearing/reading about as a matter of daily life.

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Just desperately sad news :(

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There are certain times when I feel the death penalty is the only appropriate response.
Public guillotining sounds about right in this case or perhaps bayoneted to death by a group of soldiers.
These barstewards deserve to suffer IMHO. :smt045

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The woman who got off a bus to help the victim showed great bravery. She put her life at risk to help a stranger.

Many years ago a young Muslim lad was attacked by a group of white thugs in South London at a tube station. I piled in to help him and got a good thump from a broom handle in the process. I just didn't want to see that kid get killed. It didn't matter he was Muslim. Sadly extremists on both sides have made us all suspicious of each other and these crazies are just using religion as an excuse. I'm sure most Muslims in this country were as horrified as the rest of us by this terrible event.

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I agree with you LPH, they are using religion as a means to justify their actions which is disgusting.

I hope that they get dealt with accordingly!

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Poor poor bloke. Thoughts to his family and friends, must have been a horrid way to go.

These guys obviously seem like a pair of loony toons. Surely any 'sane terrorist' (if there is such a thing) would try and evade capture in order to carry out his/her goal to maximum effect until brought down.

This leads me to a question I have been thinking about. What exactly is todays definition of terrorism and what constitutes a terrorist? I used to think I had a rough idea, but now if you're some insane local estate thug who shouts Allah whilst butchering someone you are branded as one. It also seems to make the government think about changing the terror alert status. In all honesty, I believe it is what the government and media feel like labelling as terrorism themselves.

In any event, what an unlucky chap. Death penalty would be too easy for these guys.

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I don't think I've ever been quite as shocked at what I've seen on news/read online as whats happened here. On a day I was already hurting to see the vid posted by Si where chants of "UK police burn in hell" are been chanted during a protest.

Firstly I feel so sorry for that poor poor poor man, to be hit by a car is bad enough to, to be stabbed is bad enough, to be dragged about while you're in agony is bad enough and to be beheaded whilst alive is about the worst thing I can imagine but combine all of those and my brain cant process that horror.

No punishment these barbaric cretins receive will be justice for that poor man.
I hope they're locked up in gen pop of a prison full of complete nutcases, it wont take long for them to be recognized and i like to think the guards who work there will turn a blind eye to any acts performed.

What I find most disturbing of all, the guys accent. He talks "you, us" etc etc but his accent tells me he is an "us" a homeland hooligan planting psychotic seeds in the minds of the impressionable, what ever happens to them needs to happen quick and publicly.




Agree entirely, as disturbing as those events were and what CR did generally speaking the stories we hear of these types is only when they're taking each other out which I honestly have no problem with.
By all means lets build a large enclosed space and leave them all in there in a last man standing free for all, I'd actively encourage that provided the last man standing was also gunned down by police guards as opposed to been allowed back into society.

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Question for you military types:

This took place outside a barracks, what would have been the implications had those persons in the barracks come out to assist and taken down the attackers? I'm assuming a barracks would not have firearms within easy reach, do barracks even have guard houses?

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This is a most tragic affair. I cannot imagine what the poor mans friends and family are going through.

It's bad enough what this and other countries service men and women have to do and see when deployed only to return home and be treated like crap especially if injured.

Was he targeted because he was wearing a help for heroes t shirt? I certainly hope not, this charity is, in my opinion one of the very very few worth while charities. They do good work for our troops that badly need it.

The fact that this happened in such proximity to a barracks is even worse, I cannot imagine what all his brothers in arms are feeling knowing this effectively happened on their door step.

The pain and sorrow they and his family must be experiencing saddens me in a way I find difficult to comprehend.

Death penalty is too easy for the perpertrators, it's an easy out, sticking around just ensured that they got their "cause" some attention.

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Don't put your life on the line for a stranger.
You could have come off alot worse ,It could have been a knife not a brrom handle.If its your child then its diffrent.
The nut jobs in this situation still had wepons.
Their motivations were not easy to spot .The religion exuse is just that.

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The guard would have weapons for quick reaction and could fire accordingly if they feel that they or someone else is in imminent danger of death. Unfortunately this was outside camp and armed police are in a much better position to tackle it. By the time anyone would have got there, no-one was in immediate danger, so those rules of engagement no longer apply. The coppers only opened fire when they felt they were in immediate danger. The last thing you want is a load of incredibly ****ed off squaddies running around a "cosmopolitan" town with rifles...

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By weapons, I mean rifles with full magazines of live rounds.

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I would excuse any soldier who shot dead 2 men who he'd just witnessed slaughter another soldier. IMO that sends out EXACTLY the right message to like minded extremists.

Shoot to kill in that scenario, none of that preservation of life BS.

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Nah. Send them to general population in Belmarsh. I'm sure 1 or 2 people in their would have a difference of opinion with them. That would be far more effective than shot dead.

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EDL, Arian brotherhood, NF, they would enjoy a couple of new faces around.

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I would excuse them too but the law would charge them with murder.Then it would be up to the jury and that would be a lottery

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True, but all you would need is one of them to charge at you or raise a pistol in your direction, then, as you feel your life in genuinely in danger, you would be free to shoot at the perpetrator.

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Now this story hardly made the news.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...tivated-police

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Please re-read what you just posted to an open forum and have a word with yourself. :-dd

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Or this one about a drunk squaddie bayoneting a 10-year-old Afghan boy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...fghan-boy.html

Not that I'm anti-squaddie by any stretch of the imagination - (got friends in the Army) just think people need to keep this in perspective.