70bhp more than enough?
 

Bought the sv650 while i saved for either a vmax or tl1000r. But now Im starting to question whether i need them :confused:

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Re: 70bhp more than enough?
 

I got mine on the dyno,runs at 74bhp,on the road its plenty.


I feel a faster bike I would gather some points rather quickly,end of the day its how you feel riding the bike,it can be a lot of fun,just got to use the rev range.


Cheap to run & ins is an added bonus..............

Re: 70bhp more than enough?
 

It all depends what you want to do with the bike.

I have had an SV650S "X", the curvey model, and she was fine for what I needed at the time.

The bikes I have now are an SV1000S (118bhp) and a 2008 R6 (133bhp.)

I use the Thou' for touring on as it has a Sat Nav and full luggage kit, but, it has me and my girlfriend on it then so I need to power and torque of a "big" v-twin.

Whereas I use the R6 for messing about on, you can't use all of the power all of the time, but, when you can it is a riot.

I bought the bikes I wanted so I could do what I wanted on them.

If you're happy with your 650 and she has enough power for you why waste your money buying bikes you won't enjoy?

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On the road it's as much about available torque.
The SV engine is good in this area.
But I enjoy the 675 combination of power and torque.

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I tuned mine for more top end power for the track, but on the road it's near-pointless as I don't weigh much. Maybe if you're a big dude then it's like riding with a pillion all the time but really it's not a slow bike - try riding back to back with other bikes on the road and you won't see a lot of difference, though it doesn't feel like you're really trying.

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Presumably Triumph 675? How does flexibility compare with the SV, for example pulling from 50 in top?

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IPSGA = I've never tried it
On any of my bikes!
The Daytona generally be in 3 - 4
Same with the zx6r

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I really struggle to enjoy the SV650 on motorways, but from everything I've read from other users, I ride my SV rather differently from others.

Most gears I'll only ever sit between 3k and 4k, when I hit 4k I shift up unless I'm in fifth or sixth, or if I'm acting like a hooligan. I like the soft throttle response before it hits that 4.5k power, and on motorways it just feels exhausted the entire time ( this is without the restriction mind you ).

The SV makes an excellent bike for somebody with a restricted license, I'm thinking of a Triple or something more adv touring styled like a Tiger or GS for when I can spoil myself.

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Why are you mentioning RoSPA training?

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Do you need more than 70bhp? No.

Do you want more than 70bhp? Hell yeah!

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That sounds like you're just not used to the feel of the bike at higher revs. The engine should be perfectly relaxed until well over legal motorway speeds. I can't help thinking you're missing out by changing up at such low revs.

I assume you're running the standard sprockets?

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It's not just rospa,iam etc it's. Just what they use
http://www.iam.org.uk/media-and-rese...ps/20434-ipsga
It's something you do naturally.
They just give it a neat little name.
And make it a bit more involved
Though IAM. Rospa bike safe etc training is good
Hears a link to the hugger-campaign.
It's not as stiff as iam (not knocking any of the rospa etc gang).
What it will do is get a bit more out of your riding and be safer.
If you can book up a bike safe.

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you can never have enough power but you have to sit down and be serous with yourself and say can i actually use that power. good riders are just that no matter how much power they have on tap as they know how to use it but i'm sorry to say that there are faaaar to many riders on the road that want to be part of the big boys club but dont have the skill, they then try to keep up with those that do and get themselves out of their comfort zone and thats when problems occur.

at normal speeds it's easier to ride a larger power bike as you dont have to think that much about overtakes etc.etc but as the pace quickens then your brain has to work harder, this is where a lot of people fail as they cant process so much information as things are happening much much faster. i'm not trying to be condescending but us mortals dont have what it takes to be motogp riders.

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It is indeed, I was doing some Friday and Saturday, just seemed funny you mentioned it in here

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Yeah, standard gearing.

I guess it's a combination of things, the previous owner had a very loud slip on installed ( compared to other slip ons on SVs that is ) and I find the bike sounds extremely loud and not considerably great really past 5-6k.

There's also me chopping the throttle, it's not something I do on occasion and when I say chop, I mean the slightest amount. When I'm at that 'cruising' RPM the response is comfy, when I'm any higher and I pull back on the throttle the slightest bit I get thrown forwards unless I'm man handling the tank like I'm trying to get a knee down.

When I said motorway speeds, I should have been clearer and have said motorway speeds and a bit more, and then some.

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Ah how did you find it.
Worth the effort? Liam is a Rospa guy who bent my ear about speeds and overtakes Sunday afternoon

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I struggle to enjoy any motorbike on motorways but the SV650 is totally up to the job of motorway mile eating, with pillion and luggage. On standard SK6 gearing I hold mine between 6k and 7k in top and its very happy to sit there until the tank needs filling.

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Oh yeah, seriously, 100% it can do motorways. My original point was that I struggle to enjoy the bike when it's at that rev range, that I'd rather a bike geared more appropriately or simply larger which could chew up those miles doing 70+ without consuming 7/10ths of the rev range.

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i fitted a 16t front sprocket and its made a massive difference to the bike, some like it some dont but i love it as it gives the gearing more legs and it's now not sitting on MW's screaming its head off.

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Sounds like you'd prefer an inline four. They typically have higher revs available, for example my old CBR600 used less than half it's max revs to reach 70. An inline four also has less sharp engine braking, and also less judder and/or snatch at low revs. The downside is that they're pretty gutless if you're not in the correct gear. Ride one and see how it suits you.

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The SV nice and flexible. Same with the 675 but with a kick up the bum at the top end of the revs.
Honestly try my zx6r it's all reves and no engine braking.
I still have a hoot on it but it is just a bit buzzy.
Did 214 miles using the 675 Sunday.
Don't think I could do it on the zx.

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Found it really good and informative.

They did talk about not speeding and such, but, he did say the training makes more sense the faster you ride

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I got to ride my Dad's GSXR last week, it was better than the SV in every sense bar being a bit boring. The instant acceleration is great but you're pretty much straight into license losing speeds and need to stay there to enjoy the bike. For the road the SV is much more fun to ride at more reasonable speeds.

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Yes the 70bhp is easily enough for the road. Before having to sell my bikes to help afford a house move ( don't worry only had 4 months bike less) I sold my cb and used the sv for commuting and Sunday blasts. I'm no riding god but was regularly chased by my mates on an r6, zx6r and an r1. Catching the lad on the r1 was easy as I was making up bike lengths into and through the corners getting on the power a lot early. Obviously any of them bikes ridden properly should show an sv up but I'm sure most lads on here who have taken the sv on track have shown some race reps up with a lot more cc and a lot more ponies

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I've done 2500 miles on the SV in the last month, mostly on the motorway / autobahn. On the autobahn I did wish I had a little more power, not that I was cruising 'that' fast but it would have been nice to be able to blast quickly up to autobahn outside lane speeds occasionally to clear people in the middle lane.

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70bhp is fine on non motorway roads in my opinion, I didn't enjoy the SV650 on the motorway.

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talking about riding and motorways/autobahn is just wrong, that's transportation that is.
For riding even a 40bhp twin is enough(even enough to embarrass power rangers)
This a proper riding road, easily identified by these things called corners ;)
http://www.klikk.no/multimedia/archi...pg_307802b.jpg

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It's just as valid to use a motorcycle for transportation as it is to enjoy some bends

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whatever fills your bucket I guess, but transportation = boring, riding = fun, the sv is fun for riding, any bike is a drag when used for transportation

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I prefer to use my bike if I'm on my own if it's not freezing. Especially down the M25.
But I do use it for transportation to and from work.
But I go the twisty way ;)

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It's the difference between what you need and what you want and what you think you'd like.

In practical terms 70BHP on a bike will give you max speed around 125mph ish, and equates to a good 200BHP/tonne which would be considered pretty decent for any car. So yes 70BHP is plenty, however..................

We all go through the "more power" stage. I did, but eventually found that I just didn't enjoy riding a bike at slower (legal) speeds than it is really designed for. Last big bike I had was a FZR1000, no fun really below 3 figs, at 60-70mph you felt like getting off and kicking the tyres, it just wasn't doing anything. Since then I've downsized and am now happy with the bikes. You can "use" an SV650 on the road without being bonkers.

Just as a comparison, I have an NC700 DCT which is barely 50BHP but has very good mid-range grunt and cruises on the motorway a treat, 70MPH is a shade over 3600rpm. The DCT surprises a lot of faster bikes away from standstill because there is no pause for gearshifts so while on paper it's not quick, in reality it's just twist and go so takes no effort nor skill for that matter to get pretty good acceleration (and it does 80mpg easily). Not everyone's cup of tea, but something a bit different.

Re: 70bhp more than enough?
 

No 70bhp isnt enough....

You get to the track and realize you've brought a toy to a fight :)