33bhp Restriction
 

hi,
im new to this forum, i am about to buy a 2000 model SV650s and by law i have to restrict the bike to 33bhp, i know what a lot of people will say, 'get a smaller bike'! but i can't, i have wanted an SV for too long now, and now i can finaly afford one, i am going to buy it.
I just wondered if anyone else has restricted an SV650? How does the bike run? and will i be able to fit a road legal after market end can (so i can hear the beast when im riding) and still keep it to 33bhp?

Cheers

SPeeeeDY

I've not ridden a restricted bike (sv or otherwise) but don't worry about choosing the sv and having to restrict it, lots of people have them like that and it doesn't seem to be a problem.

thanx
 

thanks for the fast reply. it was most helpful, i did not know many people restricted these bikes, must be due to the cheap (for what you get) price tag, good looks and good handling, perfect first big bike. I was thinking about a bandit 6, but they are tooo common and its an inline 4 (boring sound!).
I was told that to restrict the bike all i have to do is change the 'ECU', is this true? i always thought to restrict any bike, a washer was fitted to restrict the flow of air/petrol into the engine.
If it is a new ECU that i will require, where can i get one (im from Leeds, UK), how much will it cost, and can i fit it myself?

I rode a restricted 2000 sv650s for about 5 months. They used different throttle bodies from Suzuki to get it 33bhp.

What i think these did was to never allow you to get the throttle fully open. Riding along at about 70mph in 6th gear and rolling on the throttle you could feel when it stopped getting power while still twisting round. In theory, you could save yourself £120 ( :shock: ) and just use a stop on the actual throttle (wont be legal though).

Riding the bike was still really good while restricted. I never felt that I was being held back by it being 33bhp but it was always hugely tempting to derestricted it. I had the original throttle bodies and the instructions on how to put them back in.

I would definately say go for it. I still love the styling of the svs and have always regretted selling it. I never rode it full power and eventually got a TDR250 which has gone now too. I'm thinking about getting an sv650, just love the sound and feel of the v-twin.

I hated being made to ride bikes that were restricted. I had been on bikes for years and years riding them offroad and resented seeing these people doing DAS and jumping onto whatever they wanted. I do see sense thought - Just a bit bitter :)

Hope you find a good bike and dont let people pressurise you into making full power.

Re: thanx
 

:shock:

The howl of an IL4 at high revs is obviously something that you haven't experienced :wink:

Not for the model/year that you're considering - it has carbs, not FI.

You will need a restrictor kit for a carbed bike - there may well be other things as well as the carb washers, e.g. carb jets, etc.

Possibly/probably, but you might need some form of official (e.g. dealer) certificate to say that the kit is fitted if requested by your insurance company or the :plod:

I'm sure that your resentment was towards the "system" and not those able to do DAS :lol:

As jabba said, if the bike is FI then there is just a small box that fits in between the ECU and the bike, and that is the restriction. When your restriction is up, just unplug it.

On carb bikes you need to get

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

That will need to be fitted by a garage and get a certificate incase the bob stop you.

From what i have been told, because IL4 make their power high up in the revs a restricter on them will kill the bike, but VT bikes make their power low down so not realy a problem especialy for town trafic.

Its ment to restrict you to about 70-90 but some people here say they have still got the bike up to 115. Probably they have a diffrent rear sproket config.

thanks
 

thanks for the replys, i now know for deffinate that i will be restricting the bike. for what it will cost me and the bother it will save if the plod stops me, deffinatly worth it and i suppose since i only have 12months left on my 33bhp sentence, topping out at 80-90mph wont be that bad for one summer.

PS, i used to ride a friends Bandit 1200 (on private roads, of course) and although it was scarily too fast, and it did sound good, it still does not compare to the sound of a thumping V-Twin

Thanks again

SPeeeeDY

It's a completely replaced ECU on the SV, so you'd have to make sure you got your original with the bike.
For the carbed bikes, like has been said, there are loads of ways of restricting them, but getting a certificate is vital, and in fact is the entire point of having it done.

Riding a restricted K4 naked and the power is still scary as hell, as it's the bhp that's restricted and not the torque. There are no restrictions that i know of on the torque from a legal stand point, so any restrictio you get is just from restricting the bike for bhp. The k4 is still capable of just about 100mph with a restrictor fitted. But seriously, I managed to crash mine within 50 miles. (At a very slow speed, coming out of a drive and let the rear wheel spin out). It doesn't feel restricted. But I have a change ecu rather than restricting washer.

the only major difference i noticed when my sv was restricted (for an hour :D ) was that it just had no top end power. there was still plenty low down but it still did seem a bit poo. maybe it was in my head i dont know. the 120 quid u have to pay is really only for the bit of paper that says its restricted. i have my 33 bhp restrictor here (ecu) and it is totally worthless. over than an expensive paper weight :?

carbs or fuel injection
 

now that people are talkin about the ECU, i am starting to consider a bike with fuel injection.
What year did the fuel injection model come out. Is it just all the new shape bikes?
and which would you say is better. the new shap or old? and again faired model or naked?

Cheers in advance

SPeeeeDY

Re: carbs or fuel injection
 

All the new shaped ones are FI, which is 2003 onwards.

Just don't get started on the other questions, we only just finished the last argument. :wink:
I like new shape faired, old shape naked.
All are great bikes, we all have our preferences, but it's most aesthetic differences.
The only thing for certain is that a black bike is best.

:)
 

from looking at the bikes the faired bike looks to have the more sportier riding position eg higher pegs and lower bars. which should make for slightly easier handling. but at the same time the naked bike looks to be more sit up and more comfortable.. i think i will just have a go on them both then decide for myself.



cheers anyway

SPeeeeDY

not to be a downer, but as you are restricted you can't even take these bikes out for a test drive without the restriction. I got to drive my bike around a car park for ten minutes before i said yes, but i couldn't take it on the road

Unless you find a dealer willing to put in the restricted ECU or you can find one with a restricted demo bike.
I've spoken to a couple of people, and they do exist, but they might be very very rare.

i would
 

i would just go to a private sale, and have a little blast on theirs, i would prefer not to do that though, because i would hate to waste some ones time and build their hopes up for a sale, and if i did like the bike i would still feel enclined to go for a ride on the other version first.
unless any of you guys want to let a wet behind the ears 18yo 'ragg' your bike aroung for a bit..lol..only joking..well..unless you want to let me :roll:
i think what il do is just buy the first one that i can find in immaculate condition for the right price. After all..its an SV and il like it whatever :lol:

or
 

or should i try to get hold of a ECU myself, coz im deffinatly gonna need one anyway, and just plug that in (if it is as simple as that) to go on a test ride from a shop

i have been told by others that a dyno run print out is sufficent to satisfy the plod if you are asked to produce documents - lots of people do it as its a cheaper option than paying lots of money for a few washers and a certificate.

not sure how much truth lies in the matter - but its worth checking out if it will save u some dollars :)

dyno
 

I dont know too much about how a dyno works...but wont i need to restrict the bike first to show it tops at 33bhp?

yeah.

sorry i was unclear-
if you restrict it yourself - using either method people have mentioned here . and take it for a dyno run.

it will save you money rather than buying a restriction kit and getting your dealer to fit it (most of the money you pay goes on the certificate)

Hey Speedy... Welcome to the site fella :wink:

Be sure to check the 'Pennine Massive' thread for 'local' rideouts etc. mate :wink:

Heh, I've just spent the last couple of hours telling Speedy to join up over here on SV Rider, I may have been preaching to the choir ;)

Watcha mate, fellow young rider here!!

Well a coupla things for ya to ponder on,

Firstly, being restricted is ok, not the best but ok!
On the carbed sv 99-2002 it can be restricted by two methods, the suzuki kit is a different "slider" internal part off the carb, or by intake washers,
Sit under the carbs!

Now officially they have to be fitted by a dealer, but providing u have proof that the vehicle is restricted, i can really see no problem,

Being restricted reduces the fuel economy, and remeber, tyres are expensive, so are chains and sprockets! and u will be paying big boys insurance too!

I had my sv when i was 17, i dropped it 2 weeks later and cost a minimum of 130 squids to get road worthy, ignoring the paint!

Lots of ppl remove the restrictors early, u sound like a solid guy and like ur unlikely to do that, dont cause as u know it illegal, as tempting as it is,
i have been there, swearing at the system sooo much cause i feel hard done by, but now its only 28 days till they come out leagally, and it feels great!

I have a restrcitor kit hanging around as i had the official suzuki one fitted after the shop had fitted the origonal washer kit, (i blamed this for the poor fuel economy) but they are both identical on fuel, and the suzuki one aint worth the x tra 140 squids i paid to have it fitted!

Hjope this helps,
Any more questions, feel free to pm me!

All the best and rest assured, on the bike fron u have made the right choice, even if u go for a newer pointy one!
Alex

Hey Speeeeeeeeedy,

Any chance of of you reducing the size of your avatar? The current width of 241pixels needs to drop to about 120 or Admin2 will be after you :D

Interestingly, the percentage size reduction of your avatar is about the same as you need to restrict an SV :wink:

thanx
 

thanks for the replys, i realy am starting to understand this restriction stuff now.
i registered on the svrider.com message board and asked the same origional question. that has turned into a mass argument about the law and restricting bikes!
Although it was helpful on there to start with, it is a hell of a lot more helpful on here.
I checked out the 'Pennine Massive' post, and it looks good, WHEN i get my SV i will try to get on one of the organised rideouts/meets.

I will deffinatly restrict my bike, and keep it restricted, i only have one summer left on the restriction, 18 feb 2006 here i come! :D.

Cheers

SPeeeeDY

How much did you pay for your insurance at that age?

I got my SV on my 17th birthday (the day i passed my test)

What was your insurance like, what policy? from who? etc

Just want to know whether i was stiffed or not, seemed very expensive when i was 17

i was paying 550 third party only, as i did etimated 15000 miles a year,
was with cia i believe, then cancelled insurance to go with motorcycle direct at 450 tpo (cant remember y i cancelled during the policy) then now im 19 with 2 yrs noclaims i pay 240 tpft with cia, 650 xcess though and only 5k miles a yr!
spensive, but 50 % of a car ins cost. think comp 4 me now is about 430 on a brand new sv650s , super bargain!

WoW
 

I am getting ripped big style:

SV650s
2001
4000miles per year
2 years no claims
bike value £2900


tpo £665
tpf&f £1305
comp £2407

thats with clickquote.co.uk the cheapest i can get. And thats not telling them about my little (was a write off) car accident in august 2004

Try xpress on 08002941980
They're not fabulous, but they beat everybody else for me.
I'm 23 newish license, previous accidents, 6 points and no garage fully comp on a brand new SV was £790 with £350xs.

Re: WoW
 

Now thats what I call a real waste of money. Fine pay your £665 for a worthless piece of paper. You buy 3rd party insurance to pay your damages if your are unfortunate enough to be involved in an accident where a 3rd party suffers loss or injury as a result of your negligence. If you have made a dishonest policy application (By not declaring history etc.) your policy is void.

Therefore the poor sod has to try to recover their loss though the uninsured driver provisions of the MIB. In other words I and every other honest policy owner pay your dues. The poor sod you injure get the minimums. All because YOU want to save money

Being dishonest with your insurance is not worth it. If I had my way every uninsured rider/driver (and YOU are by having a void policy) should be jailed. Are you going to personally recompense my family for thier financial loss should you kill or prevent me from earning my living as a result of your negligence. If you can't afford insurance you can't afford the bike

av u tried cia? very good 4 me any way,
i live in a sleepy town, however i di have a bike stolen recoverd 3 yr ago, but never made a claim,
Might be down to where u live!
Im likley to be moving to leed this late summer, might mean the sv has tog go as i am unlikly to be able to afford the sv and car insurance!
dissapointing! :(

Alex

what was that rant all about timwilky, i never said i was not going to tell the insurance company about my car crash...i was just pointing out that £665 was how much it would cost if i hadnt had a crash. i will need to add a few hundred pounds wen i get my REAL quote. its just that clickquote does not give a choice to say if you have had an accident or not.

sorry if i left my last post missleading. but would i realy go through all of this trouble in restricting the bike just to void my insurance anyway?!?!

I got my insurance from biketeam , it's just short of 700 tpft, with a 500 excess, on a k4 with 1000 miles, costing 3300. I am 20 with 1 years NCB, but only had a full license for about 3 weeks when i got the insurance. And they gove no discount for being restricted.

Anyone know anyone who does give a discount for restriction?

Also, don't use the web tog et your insurance, as the quotes online always seem distorted and totally out. You'll have to phone about 15-20 insurers to get a good impression of what you should be paying. It's a hassle, but you can save hundreds for spending a couple of hours on teh phone.

www.insurance2000.co.uk

Though i dont have my bike yet i have been quoted.

22 yo
London,Peckham SE15 (Bad area)
SV650S 2002 £3000
1 car crash (£800 fix value), even if i added another one would not make diffrence.
Just passed licence (when i get it)

£800 TPFT, 250excess, Business class 1, 5000 miles pa

Any mods that are road legal and no security needed for the bike.

I cannot ride other bikes though, it comes with legal insurance and loss of licence cover

Now i call that cheep for my circumstances.

Ok, sorry about my rant. I was under the impression from your post that you were actually going to consider taking out a policy without full disclosure. I am well aware as a parent of teenagers just how ridiculously expensive insurance is.
I am also unfortunately aware that as a result of this expense, that there are individuals prepared to risk not holding 3rd party insurance. I am glad that you are not considering joining this group.
I was disgusted by a group of my sons friends, who were on the next table in the pub last week, discussing the R1/ R6 and blades they were planning to get this year. When not a single one of them was old enough to be in the pub in the first place.
It is reassuring to know there are people out there who are prepared to work within the rules (however stupid) to get themselves on the road legally.
Your years on restrictions will no doubt fly by. Use the time wisely to become a proficient rider and spread the word amongst your peers that it is much more fun when the only thing you need to worry about is a plod with a radar gun.

And don't get tpo, get tpft, as you think you'll never need it, but i got my scooter stolen and trashed last year. And if it happened to you you'd be heart broken

TPFT £593 £250 exc
Male, 18 yrs
2 yrs NCB
IAM Licence

H&R Insurance

As you will be losing top end power you won't notice the only problem with the naked bike, hanging on to the bugger at speeds over 85mph. They are much easier to steer control etc. in fact the Ideal town hooligan bike. The faired though will let you get to higher speeds with the improved aero dynamics for the same amount of engine power. Still it will come down to personal preference I want all of the advantages of the S model but could not get past the looks of the naked model. It 5 and a half years old I want a new one but the new 1000 naked model looks bloody awful I been trying to get used to it since it came out but can't. If the restrictor kit gets you a new ECU and piece of paper for your £120 on a K3, K4 bike. The same £120 gets you 2 washers & a bit of paper for the X, Y, K1, K2 bike

what a darn good idea this 33bhp limit is.
down here the only restriction placed on a learner rider is that the bike must not be bigger than 250cc -so 15 year olds are able to buy crotch rocket RGV250's or even the quick 250 4 strokes and can hot em up as mych as they like.
Some of these weapons are capable of 200km/h (aprox 125mph)
so they get their basic handling test (15minute poodle around a carpark)
and answer a few questions and theyre on the road legaly