starter problems ~ still not working!!
 

okay need help yet again!!! :cry:

On Thursday I had to call home start out to start bike after it started then stopped and refused to start again there was a noise between efforts but put this down to the bike engine trying to turn over. (noise was difficult to hear with lid on but was a short noise that sounded mechanical)

Bike was started by jump leads from very nice mans truck... and then started again at lunch time and was fine to ride home on .. made sure I was in lowest gears with as many revs to keep battery charged.

Brought new battery charged and fitted to bike this morning and now it isnt starting.. starter motor is trying to turn over but is still sounding like it isnt charged (starting with all lights off and yes the immoboliser is disengaged.)

Have tried to put it in first and rock it back and forth to see if this will restart it..no luck

Dont have anyone to be able to jump it again but to be honest cant see that that would solve the problem if it is still not starting on it's own...

Suggestions welcome (helpful ones please :wink: ) :cry:

where are you? there must be someone close with a bit of knowledge who could come have a look. If you in midlands, could be just the nudge I need to get me bike out....... and bring the multimeter with me......

Terry

based in Bristol... already tried testing voltage and the battery is def charged and the voltage across the battery was dropping to about 3 or 4 volts when trying to turn over .

OK 1st check condition of lead from battery to solenoid (the bit that goes click when you hit the start button) Make sure connections are clean and tight. 2nd check lead from solenoid to starter, again should be clean and tight.....in reality you will prob find that connection to starter will be rusty causing high resistance and starter not turning over....... (mine was). If it is be carefull that you dont break the bolt/nut trying to undo it.... give it a blast of wd 40 1st and let it soak for a few mins. When its clean retighten it and cover it with vaseline or similar to help prevent corrosion.
Also check all your cables that run to the frame from the engine and battery (earths) high resistance here from corrosion will als give you a similar problem.
Finally if it dont work now............... it may also be a knackered starter......... :roll:

Give this lot a go, you never know....

Terry

battery probs
 

i could have a look for you , i live in Bristol and had the same sort of problem on my sv (99 model with alarm) solved it by getting optimate plugged in every night, could be starter or loose leads !

p.m me if you want some help im only to happy to help!

johnd ~ thanks for the offer but it isnt loose leads or charging problems as I have managed to eliminate that from line of enquiry...

the starter relay has voltage on input but no output voltage even though it appears to be making a sound when the starter switch is pressed.

I am thinking that this means the relay has gone as the engine was turning over when I accidently shorted it :oops: :oops: made me jump :oops:

The starter motor doesnt look great and i cant get bolt of it to check at this moment it is caked in WD40 ... I am hoping that I have found the problem though in the relay just taken it off the bike and checking if it works....

any suggestions???? :?

When you shorted the solenoid, did the engine spin over normally? or was it still a bit sluggish?

no can saftely say it turned over pretty sharpish.. and gave a hella shock :shock: :shock:

from that it sounds like solenoid is faulty......

or you have bad wiring across the low amperage side of it.... check the earths carefully before you scrap it...


Terry

Are we talking about the same thing ... the solenoid being the relay??

have used battery charger to close relay and whilst there was def click of closure there was no continuity through the relay itself.

Also whilst it was on the bike tried starting it and there was no voltage appearing on the starter motorside of the relay....hopefully makes sense?

so fair to say relay fubarrrrreed!!! :cry: ...please say if you disagree really dont want to find something else that could be wrong after this! :?

Ok to follow on from last post..........
Yes the solenoid is the big relay... with 2 large wires and 2 small
If it is definatly clicking when youconnect your batt charger across the 2 small wires with no continuity across the large 2, then the contacts have probably burned out. You said previously that you had a large voltage drop on the battery when you tried to start it, and the starter barely moving. This has shown that there is/was a high resistance somewhere....... Your tests have shown that it is highly likely to be in the solenoid/relay well done



Bung another 1 there and you should be laughing :D


The probable reason that it started from a "jump" is because of the high amperage of the other battery used was able to overcome the resistance of the bad terminals. (bike batteries are never huge amphour jobs unlike car and jump pack batteries)

Glad to have been some help

Terry

Thanks Terry much appreciated... will give you an update when i get a new one. :P

okay I have put the new relay on the bike last night and still nothing... when the ignition gets turned over you can here it clicking and a whirr from the starter but then nothing......

next suggestion??? :cry:

A big hammer ?

You sure your battery is OK, thats the exact same symptoms that my bike has when the battery is flat, not totally flat, but there just isnt enough charge in it to turn the bike over.

Edit : must read your original post, OK new battery so its not that then

Dont really know what else to suggest, you want to ask Viney or Sid Squid reckon they would be able to help you