Project Phoenix
 

Ok I am about to embark on a new project … I have taken leave of my senses and taken pity on this wounded animal:- http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=91169 … bearing in mind at a glance it needs a new frame (seen a pic of the crack and my prognosis is its only good for the bin), and as the frame is cracked from a frontal, I can only assume forks, front wheel, yokes, probably discs are gone too … also needs bodywork and a clock bracket … and that’s just the stuff I KNOW I will need :shock: … my brain says NO … my heart however … is, well, stupid!! :lol:

Ok ASM-Forever has said he would like to see it live again rather than just be broken for parts … I too want to make it live again. I have assured him when it is complete that I will fit my camera to it and he will see the phoenix bike in track action.

If you are interested in seeing this project completed then read on:-

Right, so although I have taken leave of my senses, I am tight (I prefer sensible with money, but you can call it tight if you like :D) and I don’t want this project to run into stupid money – i.e. to figures where I could have just bought a ‘good’ one to start with and its not like I don't already have a trackbike (or 3 :D)!

Bearing in mind the extent of the damage, it would be all to easy to run over budget. To try and keep it economically viable, I am prepared to swap/trade in parts to ‘realise’ some cash from bits I don’t need … like I could part-x the clocks (24k) for higher mileage clocks +cash, or even clocks that have a broken speedo (the rev counter HAS to work though). Also the tank looks to be ok, so again, trade in any battered tank (i.e I don’t care about dents but it has to be usable).

Also if you want any bits that I don’t need, like rear seat, rear side panels, fairing lowers. Then a fair price/swap can be arranged, this will all go back in the pot to try and keep this viable.

Also I need to source parts at ‘good’ prices … again I don’t care what they look like but they HAVE to be 100% ‘straight’, so if you have them then get in touch.

These are the show stoppers:-

- Frame - has to be straight, but I don’t care if it has scrapes or minor dents on it
- ‘Front end’ – basically yokes, forks and front wheel.

Requirements
- Fairing/clocks stay.
- Race fairing
- Race can (bruised and battered, don't care as long as it is cheap)

If people are interested in seeing this project through its stages and gradually see Phoenix come back to life, then I can keep a blog/thread of its progress on here … I’d even be happy to slap some BIG .org stickers on it if the site donates them :)

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Ooh interesting...you know ill be following its reincarnation closely.....by the time you are done i might even be back on a bike :)

Dont forget to sell the hugger...people were always pestering me for that!

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I do have the luxury of time to try and source parts cheap (eBay bargains for example are out there if you catch stuff at the right time (i.e. when no one else wants/needs it ;))). But my aim is to have it on track before the end of the year!! 8) I am however not going to pay through the nose for parts to make this happen!! ;) ... winter is a great time to find parts with low demand, so I may be forced to push my completion date to 08 if I don't trip on stuff at the right price in time ... :cry:

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You just need an SV thats been rear-ended....a lesser man might suggest going covertly to AR07 in your van :)

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You haven't seen my van .... I think the van would come off worse!! ... I don't even know if it would make it there anyway!! :D

Just in case she is listening ... I don't mean it little van, you have served me proud ;)

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Yep you're nuts. You'll have to buy a 5th SV for a good frame :D

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I dunno, bearing in mind they are not worth much these days, there are plenty of curvy SVs that get written off for just minor cosmetic stuff ... many people would then break it ... the engine, and all the paraphernalia will be easy enough to sell/shift ... but nine times out of ten you will end up with a rolling chassis (certainly a frame and backend) that no one wants ... at that point there is no demand and prices fall to Blue_ levels as it is just getting in peoples way and they want shot!! ;)

For example, here is a frame AND engine for £99 - no bids ebay Clicky ... Only problem is it is in Helston (near lands End) ;) That's prolly why someone hasn't bid on it for the engine alone ;) ... anyway, somone buys this for teh motor ... they then have a frame they want shot of ... Blue picks up a good frame for £30-50 ;)

To be honest for £99 it might be ergonomically viable for me to drive there and flog the engine to re-coupe the fuel costs ... but that is just too much hassle when I can just wait for something similar but closer ;)

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maybe you could get a decent engine for your race bike whilst you're at it

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Blue, may have some euro clocks with working rev counter and speedo, reads in KM/H, low kms to (18-19k I think). Either sale or swap + cash = hugger?

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Cheeky get!! :D

I just realised that my dad lives about 2/3 of the way to that frame/lump - suppose I could use it as an excuse to visit the old boy ... it'd break up me journey and I could grab a free feed if nothing else!! :D

Eh? So you have some euro clocks (KMH) you are happy to part-x, you want MPH clocks, you also want the hugger right?

Happy with a trade in of the KMH clocks (I'll leave the speedo disconnected anyway, so it matters none to me! ;)) and I don't need the hugger.

What are you willing to offer for the hugger and clocks (including the part-x'd euro clocks).

Lets find out what the hugger is worth new, presuming it is in good order, you can have it for half that and you can have the clocks upgrade for £15, (I'll check these ones work first ;)).

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Nope, got UK clocks now, so willing to trade the Euro clocks + cash for the hugger, or just sell you the clocks as still not sure that I want the extra unsprung weight of a hugger!

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Ah, got ya ;)

Decide if you want the hugger and we will talk again ;)

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Not super keen on the hugger, so you're best of selling that to someone prepared to pay for it.

So clocks are on offer, what track days are you off to in Aug in the midlands/north (cadwell, the rock, mallory, silverstone, donny etc), could give you them there for a cheap price and helps me decide on a track day!
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Without being rude, KMH clocks in the UK must be pretty worthless to sell ... I'd not pay more than a fiver for them ... and then I still have the hassle of selling my MPH clocks to re-coup, let alone start to make some cash ... I doubt you could be bothered for a fiver either ;)

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There's another frame on Ebay for £50.
The one with the engine and other bits sounds better though.

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Ta :) But one has to ask what makes it a 'race frame' sounds a bit dodgy ;)

Anyhoo ... progress with Phoenix ... I picked it up today ... bit of a nightmare as the front wheel was so badly fecked the bike couldn't be pushed along as it rubbed on BOT - yes BOTH of the fork lowers where it was so badly buckled ... which meant it was hard to get in the van ... some attempts at taking spacers out etc were to no avail .. so we basically man-handled it in!! :D

The strip down has commenced ... well to be honest is already complete, I did it in the van on the way home!!! ... well it was better/ and more productive than sitting in Friday home time madness traffic!! :D

So now the hunt for parts really begins ...

So who was it that wanted the hugger?? also does anyone want the lowers??? I was hoping moneys raised by selling them would be enough for a set of forks (or a bargain pair of forks AND yokes 8))...

Got some pics ... but can't attach pics as a feature of the forum any more it seems :cry:

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i have a frame in high wycombe if thats any good for you. as for price make me an offer. Its from a 99 bike and is in good condition, it has no dents scrapes scratches etc. It currently has the swingarm and rear shock still attached but i was going to take them out tonight or tommorow depending on when i finish work this afternoon. Also got a whole bunch of other stuff which i really need to take photos off and put on here.

The only thing i need to do is to get the bottom yoke off because ive promised that to someone but i still have the top yoke. you have a pm with my phone number so give me a call if you want to discuss anything.

cheers mate

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Doh, that is not far from where I got the rest of the stuff, why couldn't you have know (and hence been able to say) when I picked the rest of the carnage up?!?!!! :D Nevermind.

Thanks for the offer and I'll reply to your PM! :)

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Pics of the stripdown in the van :D

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/phoenix9.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/phoenix5.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/phoenix7.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...oenix34jpg.jpg

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It is 100% stripped now, here is the 'bent' bits! :D

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...forkswheel.jpg

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can the frame be fixed? Is it just the broken weld?

Matt

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Wow....you can really see how bent those forks are now :)

Matt....from what i saw it was the weld that was damaged, but i dont think blue is going to risk it.

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Bearing in mind there is a gap, the frame needs to be jigged and welded, that's gonna get real expensive real quick ;) ... also if it has bent that far out of true to produce a gap, its hard to determine the stresses that have gone through other welds etc ...

Its probably best financially and from peace of mind point of view to throw it in the bin and start again ;)

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How much would you be after for the rear left hand plastic Blue?

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Glad your not selling the frame on ebay with V5 :rolleyes:

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This is one of my concerns of eBay stuff ... one mans 'straight' is another mans banana ;) … and then you just get the crooks :cry:

I'll take some pics, look up the going rate and let you know :)

The RHS does have some scuffing BTW, but it structurally intact :)

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Interesting if foolish project, but its entertaining and I wish you the best of luck!

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I have a Fuel race can you can have on the cheap. It's a bolt-on so would need the convertor plate, but £15 from bandit mania will get you the plate.

PM me & we shall discuss more if you're interested.

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Had a day off today ... got loads of stuff done (work really gets in the way doesn't it!! :D) anyway, one of this 'stuff' is that I managed to patch up the original fairing ... good job I like jigsaws!! :D

Tape all the pieces back together (yes, there were a lot of cracks/breaks ;)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...v650s/fix1.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...v650s/fix2.jpg

And fiberglass from the inside ...

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...v650s/fix3.jpg

Job done, one track fairing!! :)

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Are you going to glass over or fill the light holes with something?

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... as the lights were broken anyway, get the hacksaw out and chop what is not needed off ... drill a few appropriate holes ... cable tie and you get this ... it actually adds rigidity, which is a bonus!! 8)

For thems that never realised the clear lenses are actually plastic NOT glass so this is easy to do!! :thumbsup:

Inside:-

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...v650s/fix4.jpg

External result:-

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...v650s/fix5.jpg

8)

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Ingenious solution.

Also being plastic means there is less point in taping them up for track days.

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Not to rain on your parade Blue, but the lights worked fine...although i guess the scuff could be the damage you are talking about :)

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i will be intrested to see this up & running too

good luck

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Oh yes the bulbs were fine ... but the black plastic surround/mounting/back was smashed to pieces - and there were lots of little loose bits floating around in it!! :shock: ... There was no way it was ever going to be a headlight again, even me with my tight 4rse ways, weasel cunning and fix-it ability, I wasn't even going to attempt to put THAT Humpty together again ;) :D

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Fair play :)

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I prefer; 'fiscally sensitive', or 'economically aware'.

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oi! don't go nicking my cunning please. it looks like you've nicked my front fairing too from the picture above ;-)

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Mine is weasel cunning, you are just a weasely weasel!! :D

I love having tatty looking track bikes ... it means when you turn out to be 'slow', no one takes the piddle .. you show up to a trackday on an fully tricked out R1 in full Fiat Yamaha colours and Rossi rep leathers etc ... you had better be quick!! :D

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So fundamentally, you've bought an engine and a box full of shrapnel? Well done :)

Curious... Why glass the fairing not plastic weld?

Going to put an SV front on it? I ask, because GSXR bits are usually about the same price if not less, not to mention easier to find on ebay. I sold my stock SV bits for more than the GSXR bits cost me... SV bits are always in demand, for, well, obvious reasons, but lots of SRADs are off to the knackers now.

If you do a shopping list, I've probably got some bits that are too cheap to be worth selling but that I don't need...