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Panorama- The soldiers story
Just finished watching it on BBC1.
Wow . I am serving but not in the Infantry. Big respect to those boys who do that day in day out for 6 months. Even if you dont agree wit hthe whys and wherefores of us being over there, nothing but respect for them. They did not ask to be in that situation but get on with it like true pro's It humbled me as a Scaley back! |
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oh missed it :smt086
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I was trying to put together the words for a post but failed.
I found it quite hard watching in places, to see people working in that much danger and under that much stress. |
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...and then they come back to England, ignored at best, ridiculed, vilified and beaten up at worst. Blown up - well f*ck off and tough sh*t, we pay typists with RSI five times as much, and asylum seelkers have better living conditions, you're not welcome here.
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We never asked to go, well i did not i joined 10 yrs ago barfoe all of it. So why do people try and think its our fault. Those boys are putting their lives on the line for a 'cause' 99.9% of them dont care about its their job and they get on and do it. would a lot of the members of the public that speak out and put us down have the courage to face those dangers, and carry on. I know what that L/Cpl means when he describes how people though he was quiet upon return distant etc. Its hard to explain but when you have not experianced the bonds, the fellowship etc nor the bad experiances you cant understand so why try and explain it? I genuinly missed Iraq when i came back from my first tour, missed my mates and the experiances we shared together. and i was not even on the front line. |
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Yeah I heard that program was meant to be one of the most informative programs about the war without inflicting journalists views on to us... Dragons Den was on two though....
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I thought it was fantastic. Why oh why doesn't this country treat our soldiers better on return from active duty, after all they've been through the least they deserve is out respect! We treat pop stars and so called celebs like the soldiers SHOULD be treated!
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That's the trouble with the world today there just isn't any respect anymore - most of us haven't experienced the hardships of war and the need for a strong community, having to make do and so on. There is no pride in the country but I don't understand why. We all have complaints as do just about every country in the world.
Obviously I don't want a war but sometimes you wonder if it is what is needed, call up and all that. How can people be so ignorant to blame individuals for being soldiers or being in Iraq? Just as you can't blame a Policeman for applying the law (even though people do). I never joined up although was just a smidgin away from doing so. When the Falklands came around I was sure I was going to be called up and I have to tell you the thought unsettled my stomach a tad. I could have and would have done it if called up but can't say I relished the idea. How many younger folk today could take it? Hats off to the Guys and Gals - get your Poppy today (if you haven't already done so!!) Wear it with pride and be proud to be British warts and all. |
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If there was say a 3rd world war and say conscription far all able bodied 16-40 yr olds that were not in protected jobs like the police, fire services etc. How many of the eligible would try and find a way out of it, refuse to go, hide find medical reasons etc And I reckon there would be all these so called people who consider themselves British that would object and refuse to fight if for example it was a war against the Middle East countries. In that case all those who refuse should be thrown out the UK. I don’t think a lot of the young generations have the balls to do it as was the case in WW2; there isn’t the moral fibre anymore. Desertion once in would be a problem, the only good point to that is you can still be executed in the field for it!! J And rightly so. |
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Personally I wouldn't have a problem which probably explains why both myself and brother are in the TA!:D |
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The wars are very different. WWI & II were defending the country, Iraq is just dicking around in the name of distraction. Given an attack on the country I have no doubt that people would fight, it is also worth remembering how many people tried to get out of the World Wars it's not all rosey. Recent articles have stated the Battle fo Britain was barely a victory and massively overhyped for propaganda purposes.
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Yes lots of people did try to get out of both wars i thnk for about 3 years they were all called Americans LOL
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A lot was there to be learned from how America treated it's returning soldiers who fought in Vietnam.
Today with the liberal minded PC correctness it can be easy to fail to acknowledge, that there are men and women who have stepped up to the plate and will put their lives on the line to defend even the lives of those that criticise them the most. This is not to indicate that I personally see armed intervention as the only answer in this day and age. Surely man should have progressed enough now to sit down and talk through ALL problems? |
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With the incredible diversity of life across the world it is unlikely that war/violemce/physical power will disappear though I agree we should always strive to work towards peace and harmony. but all those who believe that everything can be solved peacefully through talks, no sanctions (and don't forget sanctions are a physical force of power that can lead to hardship, harm and death of individual people) with everyone smiling is IMVHO, deluded. ;) |
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And there's a difference between fighting a war you don't want, and protecting your home and family.
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All well and good gobbing off down the pub and picking on some one with 4 blokes, but fighting properly like those lads is a different story, I wonder how many of the c**k sure chavs and lay about’s in this country today would be as co**y when those little bits of lead flying about can kill them?? |
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Maybe put all the conscripts in their own regiments and battalions etc then they only get themselves killed unless they apply themselves, work as a team and learn respect and discipline. I am sure they would change pretty quick compared to being in a normal regiment where they could get away with not pulling their weight and consequently getting people killed. |
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Back to the panorama :cool: The ANA - Afghan army dudes - were just having a giggle, spliffing up in between firefights, strolling about in the line of fire , one of them had his magazine blown out of his hand by a bullit - so lucky. The dude with the rocket launcher loved it !
Agreed they did have a stressful few days but didnt seem all that worried about being pinned down in someones house surrounded by Taliban. I spose the Apache & 500lb bombs beef your confidence... But as for being called up - forget it ! The soldiers there loved the danger and the firefight, i would hate it, i would also hate the squaddie culture you'd have to put up with, horrible shouty bullies getting you out of bed at 04hundred etc...not for everybodt Adolf!:o |
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