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neio79 05-11-07 10:04 PM

Panorama- The soldiers story
 
Just finished watching it on BBC1.

Wow . I am serving but not in the Infantry.

Big respect to those boys who do that day in day out for 6 months. Even if you dont agree wit hthe whys and wherefores of us being over there, nothing but respect for them. They did not ask to be in that situation but get on with it like true pro's

It humbled me as a Scaley back!

Wideboy 05-11-07 10:05 PM

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oh missed it :smt086

RingDing 05-11-07 10:07 PM

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I was trying to put together the words for a post but failed.

I found it quite hard watching in places, to see people working in that much danger and under that much stress.

neio79 05-11-07 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RingDing (Post 1332123)
I was trying to put together the words for a post but failed.

I found it quite hard watching in places, to see people working in that much danger and under that much stress.

I loved their gorilla tactics aproach to it all. and the way they giggled when the bombs were incomming at the Taliban. :cheers:

Ed 05-11-07 10:49 PM

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...and then they come back to England, ignored at best, ridiculed, vilified and beaten up at worst. Blown up - well f*ck off and tough sh*t, we pay typists with RSI five times as much, and asylum seelkers have better living conditions, you're not welcome here.

neio79 05-11-07 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed (Post 1332162)
...and then they come back to England, ignored at best, ridiculed, vilified and beaten up at worst. Blown up - well f*ck off and tough sh*t, we pay typists with RSI five times as much, and asylum seelkers have better living conditions, you're not welcome here.

Agreed it is sh*t the way some members of the public can treat our soldiers due to Iraq and Afgan. Me i have never had any one brave enough to say anything to my face.

We never asked to go, well i did not i joined 10 yrs ago barfoe all of it. So why do people try and think its our fault.

Those boys are putting their lives on the line for a 'cause' 99.9% of them dont care about its their job and they get on and do it.

would a lot of the members of the public that speak out and put us down have the courage to face those dangers, and carry on.

I know what that L/Cpl means when he describes how people though he was quiet upon return distant etc. Its hard to explain but when you have not experianced the bonds, the fellowship etc nor the bad experiances you cant understand so why try and explain it? I genuinly missed Iraq when i came back from my first tour, missed my mates and the experiances we shared together.

and i was not even on the front line.

kwak zzr 05-11-07 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed (Post 1332162)
...and then they come back to England, ignored at best, ridiculed, vilified and beaten up at worst. Blown up - well f*ck off and tough sh*t, we pay typists with RSI five times as much, and asylum seelkers have better living conditions, you're not welcome here.

very true Ed its madness.

gettin2dizzy 06-11-07 07:51 AM

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Yeah I heard that program was meant to be one of the most informative programs about the war without inflicting journalists views on to us... Dragons Den was on two though....

cuffy 06-11-07 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed (Post 1332162)
...and then they come back to England, ignored at best, ridiculed, vilified and beaten up at worst. Blown up - well f*ck off and tough sh*t, we pay typists with RSI five times as much, and asylum seelkers have better living conditions, you're not welcome here.

Well said Ed, i was amazed the other day whilst buying my poppy from a WWII veteran, he said that last year he was getting a hard time outside the supermarket by all walks of life, anti-war brigade, young asian types, tree huggers, poor ol bugger couldn't of been less than 80...made my blood boil :smt013

andyb 06-11-07 07:57 AM

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I thought it was fantastic. Why oh why doesn't this country treat our soldiers better on return from active duty, after all they've been through the least they deserve is out respect! We treat pop stars and so called celebs like the soldiers SHOULD be treated!

fizzwheel 06-11-07 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by andyb (Post 1332274)
after all they've been through the least they deserve is our respect!

Agreed

skint 06-11-07 08:48 AM

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That's the trouble with the world today there just isn't any respect anymore - most of us haven't experienced the hardships of war and the need for a strong community, having to make do and so on. There is no pride in the country but I don't understand why. We all have complaints as do just about every country in the world.

Obviously I don't want a war but sometimes you wonder if it is what is needed, call up and all that.

How can people be so ignorant to blame individuals for being soldiers or being in Iraq? Just as you can't blame a Policeman for applying the law (even though people do).

I never joined up although was just a smidgin away from doing so. When the Falklands came around I was sure I was going to be called up and I have to tell you the thought unsettled my stomach a tad. I could have and would have done it if called up but can't say I relished the idea. How many younger folk today could take it?

Hats off to the Guys and Gals - get your Poppy today (if you haven't already done so!!) Wear it with pride and be proud to be British warts and all.

neio79 06-11-07 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by skint (Post 1332297)
I could have and would have done it if called up but can't say I relished the idea. How many younger folk today could take it?

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I have wondered that as well.

If there was say a 3rd world war and say conscription far all able bodied 16-40 yr olds that were not in protected jobs like the police, fire services etc. How many of the eligible would try and find a way out of it, refuse to go, hide find medical reasons etc

And I reckon there would be all these so called people who consider themselves British that would object and refuse to fight if for example it was a war against the Middle East countries. In that case all those who refuse should be thrown out the UK.

I don’t think a lot of the young generations have the balls to do it as was the case in WW2; there isn’t the moral fibre anymore.

Desertion once in would be a problem, the only good point to that is you can still be executed in the field for it!! J And rightly so.

andyb 06-11-07 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1332319)
I have wondered that as well.

If there was say a 3rd world war and say conscription far all able bodied 16-40 yr olds that were not in protected jobs like the police, fire services etc. How many of the eligible would try and find a way out of it, refuse to go, hide find medical reasons etc

And I reckon there would be all these so called people who consider themselves British that would object and refuse to fight if for example it was a war against the Middle East countries. In that case all those who refuse should be thrown out the UK.

I don?t think a lot of the young generations have the balls to do it as was the case in WW2; there isn?t the moral fibre anymore.

Desertion once in would be a problem, the only good point to that is you can still be executed in the field for it!! J And rightly so.

I think we would have big problems trying to get younger people if there was WW3. I'm 25 so come into this category but I can't see many people my age wanting to join up either voluntary or otherwise, they'd miss their X-Box too much!

Personally I wouldn't have a problem which probably explains why both myself and brother are in the TA!:D

neio79 06-11-07 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by andyb (Post 1332338)
I think we would have big problems trying to get younger people if there was WW3. I'm 25 so come into this category but I can't see many people my age wanting to join up either voluntary or otherwise, they'd miss their X-Box too much!

assuming it came to it and all able were required then i think either become a conscript, join up, or prison should be the only options.

gettin2dizzy 06-11-07 09:45 AM

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The wars are very different. WWI & II were defending the country, Iraq is just dicking around in the name of distraction. Given an attack on the country I have no doubt that people would fight, it is also worth remembering how many people tried to get out of the World Wars it's not all rosey. Recent articles have stated the Battle fo Britain was barely a victory and massively overhyped for propaganda purposes.

neio79 06-11-07 09:55 AM

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Yes lots of people did try to get out of both wars i thnk for about 3 years they were all called Americans LOL

Pedrosa 06-11-07 09:57 AM

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A lot was there to be learned from how America treated it's returning soldiers who fought in Vietnam.

Today with the liberal minded PC correctness it can be easy to fail to acknowledge, that there are men and women who have stepped up to the plate and will put their lives on the line to defend even the lives of those that criticise them the most.

This is not to indicate that I personally see armed intervention as the only answer in this day and age. Surely man should have progressed enough now to sit down and talk through ALL problems?

skint 06-11-07 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy (Post 1332356)
The wars are very different. WWI & II were defending the country, Iraq is just dicking around in the name of distraction. Given an attack on the country I have no doubt that people would fight, it is also worth remembering how many people tried to get out of the World Wars it's not all rosey. Recent articles have stated the Battle fo Britain was barely a victory and massively overhyped for propaganda purposes.

I have total doubt as I don't think there is much 'honour' in our youngsters (generally - not exclusively of course)

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Originally Posted by Pedrosa (Post 1332375)
A lot was there to be learned from how America treated it's returning soldiers who fought in Vietnam.

Today with the liberal minded PC correctness it can be easy to fail to acknowledge, that there are men and women who have stepped up to the plate and will put their lives on the line to defend even the lives of those that criticise them the most. - Indeed

This is not to indicate that I personally see armed intervention as the only answer in this day and age. Surely man should have progressed enough now to sit down and talk through ALL problems?

may be not but as humans physical strength is the predominant dispaly of power and will probably always be the case. Just about every country on every continent and most communities within them, operate this way, though gladly usually only after talks have failed.

With the incredible diversity of life across the world it is unlikely that war/violemce/physical power will disappear though I agree we should always strive to work towards peace and harmony.

but all those who believe that everything can be solved peacefully through talks, no sanctions (and don't forget sanctions are a physical force of power that can lead to hardship, harm and death of individual people) with everyone smiling is IMVHO, deluded. ;)

gettin2dizzy 06-11-07 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skint (Post 1332565)
I have total doubt as I don't think there is much 'honour' in our youngsters (generally - not exclusively of course)

We only need to do well at football/rugby/anything to draw the country very quickly together. I imagine that an attack on England may drum up support as quickly.

neio79 06-11-07 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy (Post 1332654)
We only need to do well at football/rugby/anything to draw the country very quickly together. I imagine that an attack on England may drum up support as quickly.

There is a big differance between geting pi**ed watching a team do well and being prepared to put your life on the line, something i dont belive more people nowadays would be willing to do , even for their country.

gettin2dizzy 06-11-07 02:08 PM

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And there's a difference between fighting a war you don't want, and protecting your home and family.

neio79 06-11-07 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy (Post 1332689)
And there's a difference between fighting a war you don't want, and protecting your home and family.

Indeed there is, however I still think a lot more people today compared with the 1940’s would still try to avoid it.

All well and good gobbing off down the pub and picking on some one with 4 blokes, but fighting properly like those lads is a different story, I wonder how many of the c**k sure chavs and lay about’s in this country today would be as co**y when those little bits of lead flying about can kill them??

gettin2dizzy 06-11-07 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by neio79 (Post 1332692)
Indeed there is, however I still think a lot more people today compared with the 1940’s would still try to avoid it.

All well and good gobbing off down the pub and picking on some one with 4 blokes, but fighting properly like those lads is a different story, I wonder how many of the c**k sure chavs and lay about’s in this country today would be as co**y when those little bits of lead flying about can kill them??

But wouldn't you love to send them all away to do it ;)

neio79 06-11-07 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy (Post 1332697)
But wouldn't you love to send them all away to do it ;)

Yes and no, while I advocate the re-introduction of national service as a tool to helping bring back order to today’s youth, to fill regiments of 110% professional and well motivated men who want to be there with people whose attitude could not be worse would be bloody lethal, I certainly would not want to work alongside nor have trust in someone like that to watch my back and look after me and the rest. Would you??

Maybe put all the conscripts in their own regiments and battalions etc then they only get themselves killed unless they apply themselves, work as a team and learn respect and discipline. I am sure they would change pretty quick compared to being in a normal regiment where they could get away with not pulling their weight and consequently getting people killed.

pete m 06-11-07 02:30 PM

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Back to the panorama :cool: The ANA - Afghan army dudes - were just having a giggle, spliffing up in between firefights, strolling about in the line of fire , one of them had his magazine blown out of his hand by a bullit - so lucky. The dude with the rocket launcher loved it !

Agreed they did have a stressful few days but didnt seem all that worried about being pinned down in someones house surrounded by Taliban. I spose the Apache & 500lb bombs beef your confidence...

But as for being called up - forget it ! The soldiers there loved the danger and the firefight, i would hate it, i would also hate the squaddie culture you'd have to put up with, horrible shouty bullies getting you out of bed at 04hundred etc...not for everybodt Adolf!:o

neio79 06-11-07 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pete m (Post 1332714)
But as for being called up - forget it ! The soldiers there loved the danger and the firefight, i would hate it, i would also hate the squaddie culture you'd have to put up with, horrible shouty bullies getting you out of bed at 04hundred etc...not for everybodt Adolf!:o

no anly in Basic training really, but there is reasoning behind it. break you down to make you how they want you, and no its not brain washing, its hard to explain unless you have done it but it works an wrks well. morale is all important in those situations.


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