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Went to see new star trek movie on friday night, i can recommend it, tis very good.
Nice dark bird in it as well which is a bonus:D:D:D
Sylar from heroes has got be the casting departments greatest achievement, he is awesome.

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I loved it too. Though I think Bones is the better character, he did a better job imo than the origional! Brillint. :D :D Saying that the whole cast worked really well! So happy days :cool:

Well worth watching!

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come on people scotty was the best character but yes good movie

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I didn't think very much of it, the pacing was extremely slow and the storyline was just a watered down version of a Voyager episode (even the enemy ship is remarkably similar) plus it was somewhat laughable as a reboot given they cherry picked everything they liked from the various existing franchises regardless of the timeline. I didn't think much of the sloppy Starfleet, the unfinished ship (which is never explained?) nor the complete muddling of technologies.

John

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What unfinished ship? Slow? Ralation to voyager,


[/spoiler]ive never seen no Romulan mining ship come back from the future to destroy earth in that. :confused: [spoiler]

You might have watched the wrong film :rolleyes:

:p

Of course you are entitle to your opinion. :shock:

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No spoiler tags? Better do this the old fashioned way unless someone can enlighten me...

***** lots of spoilers *****
















Unfinished ship - I'd have thought it would be hard to miss that the only completed section of the ship was its shiny bridge (I'm surprised there were no Apple badges), the rest literally was in pieces as the engineering deck was little more than some random scaffolding from inside a warehouse.

Slow - took a long, long time to actually get anywhere - we are reintroduced to all the characters which despite a large change in the timeline causing a signficant difference they're all the same, ending up on the same ship and despite the film trying to show us how different Kirk is with the death of his Dad he turns out the same as well.

Relation to Voyager - I didn't say it was related to Voyager, I said they used one of its storylines specifically Year of Hell. The Romulan mining ship bears no resemblance to any Romulan ship seen in TNG nor does it even use the same technology (somehow the Vulcans now have the Romulan technology), this is where Nero's ship is meant to have originated. However the overall design is far closer to the Krenim timeship albeit a more organic, industrial version of the ship - the Krenim's primary weapon created different timelines which the 'Romulan mining ship' didn't but that is the basis of the film. Nero is a rather 2D and basic villain in comparison to Annorax as well, shame they didn't just go the whole way.

Many of the elements are rather liberally borrowed from the future timelines of Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager - the Kelvin is very similar to some of the messy TNG/DS9 kitbashes (although despite being part of the original timeline they have Enterprise uniforms on), the superweapon now apparently a Vulcan technology is what powered the Romulan Warbirds, transwarp goes from a drive system to a transporter technology, a ship with no planetary capability is launched from Earth's surface and even the 'classic' warp nacelles go from a superluminal drive back to a sublight drive system. I don't mind some daft mistakes for a good storyline as with First Contact's mess with the Defiant but I just though the storyline here was weak, took forever to get anywhere, tripped up on itself a few times and then killed off Nero and his ship without ever trying to even make him vaguely convincing.

I can entirely understand they wanted to break free of the existing Star Trek and I think they film would have been considerably better if that had done that and created new characters and a new Enterprise rather than the pleasure boat version of the TMP era ship (despite the main change in the timeline being a heavily armed ship, you'd expect a tougher Enterprise in response). They made all the same mistakes with Enterprise claiming at that time they wanted to break away from being weighed down by existing Star Trek canon but yet the 'old' Enterprise was an almost exact copy of one of the most advanced and sleek warships from TNG/DS9/VOY and the new enemies were still supported by Klingons, Romulans and even the Borg. This time we have apparently a different timeline but the same crew, same Kirk, a ship which looks very similar to the TMP Enterprise, storyline from existing Star Trek and most of the technologies and designs as well, there's a considerable lack of creativity.

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Jesus, i didnt pay that much attention to it, perhaps i should.
Story was weak but i enjoyed it.
Just see the movie as is, start reading too much and it can affect your viewing pleasure (or lack of)

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I dont think they were wanting to start a whole new story line with it to be honest. I think they were wanting to start at the beggining and make it so they can basically go any which way they want with the story, which they now can.

Enterprise looks pretty similar to the origional in pretty much every respect bar engineering. Granted they have made it look a little more modern, but then they had to, you do remember how the original enterprise looked? That could never be passed off as fururistic as even by todays standards that looks ancient.

Red matter as far as im aware didnt run the Romulan vessels, it was a quantum singularity...

The story being slow was for people who were perhaps new to the franchise.

Enterprise, the pre star trek film was quite sleek. But it wasnt like the TNG+ ships, it was all plating and jagged, not smooth at all.

Im quite happy to just enjoy what they are putting forward, there is no need to try and pick it apart. Im sure if you really wanted you could pick apart any of the many different story lines that have been and gone.

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You've just mentioned the problem though, they didn't start at the beginning Enterprise (the series) still exists in the new timeline as does portions of the Next Generation.

I'm not sure what version of the original series you watched but the ship in the new film bases little more than a passing resemblance to the original, it's closer to the refit version but even then it's resemblance only (and even then just the saucer, most of the rest has been changed to fit a TNG era ship) as clearly there were large changes made to the internal design and function of the ship. The most obvious and typically silly feature was moving the bridge to the very front of the ship and not under the armoured section at the top where it normally is, the warp nacelles were swapped round to function as the impulse drive (the dilithium chamber/warp core seemed to be done away with as well, when they were supposed to eject the warp core what they ejected clearly was not a warp core) and the weaponry seemed to be the phase cannons lifted straight from the Defiant in both style and functionality. However aside from looking cool they clearly did not suit a ship of that design, hence the Defiant (the only SF vessel seen with such weaponry) being the only ship seen with them - none of the newer warship classes had them nor did the NX-class. The introduction of the heavily armed Romulan vessel into Starfleet space would most likely influence starship development, I'd have abandoned the Constitution class entirely since it doesn't exist in that timeline (as the constitution class Defiant in Enterprise was pulled into the mirror universe) and redesigned a ship which could fit in better with both the new purpose and the NX class in Enterprise. Another oddity is that the Constitution class is was meant to be the most advanced class hence the Enterprise being the flagship (still the case) but you can clearly see the newer Constellation-class ships assembling to go to Vulcan - this design came after the Excelsiors which is the class of ship to bear the name of one of the successor Enterprises.

The red matter was used in the film to generate an artificial quantum singularity although to use it as a weapon it was unrestrained and hence unstable. The Warbirds use a contained artificial quantum singularity hence stable and instead used to produce power in much the same way the Starfleet ships use a contained matter/anti-matter explosion to power their ships and as a weapon by firing torpedoes with no containment. No Vulcan technology in any Star Trek era showed any similarity to the 'red matter' technology in the film.

I'm not sure what you are referring to 'Enterprise, the pre Star Trek film was quite sleek' - if it's the NX-class then this is almost an exact copy of the Akira-class, they didn't even bother to change the features which couldn't have been present instead conveniently renaming them to something else.

I am happy to enjoy what they are putting forward as well as long as it's not complete nonsense which is why I didn't enjoy this film - putting the large amount of errors and oversights aside, so much of it was just so daft. Kirk stows away to get onto the Enterprise, so far all we've seen him do is lose badly in bar brawls, chat up women and cheat on a computer simulation with no redeeming features so what do they do? Wash out the deuterium injectors? No, they make him Captain! Not before of course dumping him off the ship where he happens to conveniently meet Spock and even more conveniently finds someone who has built a magic transporter which can do everything they're not supposed to be able to do to rather handily get Kirk back on the ship. Star Trek is known for some bad plot twists but this was really taking the biscuit - is it really too much to expect the storywriters to try and connect up their story? Kirk isn't on his own though, the transporter crew couldn't seem to transport people and the engineering crew seemed to be largely non-existant. If this was one of the minor Starfleet ships having difficulty securing suitable crew you could understand it but having a crew barely out of school running the flagship of the fleet is the plot from a kids film, it's nothing unique to Star Trek that the flagships attract the best crews as they're generally the desirable ship to aim for.

A decent bad guy is another aspect of a good film and I thought Star Trek was badly let down in this area as well, aside from the glaring error in his backstory (he was meant to have had his ship seriously upgraded after losing his home planet yet the ship was pulled straight through with no time for upgrades) he just seemed such a poorly developed character. They kick off showing him as a brutal and merciless Captain (despite there being to time gap back to the destruction of his planet) then oddly tries to pull a sympathy card before just blowing him up anyway.

If the film is decent enough then I'm not too bothered about glaring mistakes, First Contact is probably still my favourite of the Trek films despite them shrinking the Defiant down to 50m and relegating it to little more than a runabout type ship whereas in reality it was one of the most powerful ships in the quadrant at the time. It was also rebuilt remarkably quickly to get back to DS9 and one of the ships it's fighting alongside against the Borg is the Millienium Falcon which is certainly not part of Star Trek. However it's a good film and does many of the non-Trek parts considerably better - there's no slow paced introductions taking up large portions of the film yet nor it is assumed the audience is familiar with the crew or the enemies. Instead it kicks off all guns blazing and lets the audience pick up who everyone is, you don't need to know the entire background to the Borg to work out they're a pretty nasty lot nor do you need to have watched TNG to realise Picard is a long standing Captain with a serious grudge with the Borg.

Overall I'm just really disappointed, when it was handed over to someone who has stated quite publically he doesn't like Star Trek it wasn't a good start and it's gone downhill from there. With this film doing well particularly with non-Star Trek fans (including those who seem to think they are familiar with Star Trek) that probably means this is how it's going to continue in which case I'm left wondering why call this pretense Star Trek?

John

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Weapons on the Enterprise in Star Trek were seen on the NX-01... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterpr...01)#Technology.

I still cant agree that the new constitution class imo was nothing like anything in TNG... Cant really argue about that sort of thing but there you have it.

http://scifiwire.com/assets_c/2009/0...x293-13909.jpg

Bridge looks like its in the normal place...

Ive had a read and it turns out what were dumped at the end were anti matter containers, not the warp core... but that might be wrong, it might be that they have decided multiple cores beats one big one?

Man this is geeky. Sorry everyone. :smt118