Sarkozy speaking sense?
 

He expressed his strong distaste for the head-to-toe Islamic veil, calling it not a sign of religion but a sign of subservience.

"It will not be welcome on French soil," he said." We cannot accept, in our country, women imprisoned behind a mesh, cut off from society, deprived of all identity. That is not the French republic's idea of women's dignity."

Now before anything else can i just say this is not an attack by me on anyones religion and this thread is not a place to air racist or anti muslim views, any of that carry on and i'l ask the relevant mod to delete those posts, however i know many muslims who also agree with his comments and say that there is nothing in their religion that instructs women to wear such a grament.

My personal problem with the burka is the insinuation that all men are rapists, since the reasoning given is that women should not show their faces/bodies to men as they wont be able to control themselves and the womans face an hair should only be seen by their husbands and male family members.

I assure you that i see many womens faces and hair on a daily basis and i can fully control myself thank you very much.

Does this, or in fact any other, overt symbol of belonging to a relgion also not go some way to dividing coimmunities?

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Most of these symbols and beliefes etc, are based on a person interpretation of thier religion.beliefs etc. I think that in todays world people should be able to do what they want and not be forced to do it because some old Prophet said so once! Poeple ahve thier own minds, and in few religions woman are the subserviant member, this is wrong. I think that intodays world women are equal and should be teated as such! So yes i agree with the french blokes comments.

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Is it election time soon in france?

Personally I couldn't give a hoot if people want to wear curtains every day, a tea towel, or even nothing at all, perhaps Sarkozy's missed the many women who wear it out of choice?

If women are being forced to wear it by overbearing men then why not strengthen laws regarding that? Simply banning it won't make those men any less overbearing or change their view of women

It will, however, drum up support from the mouthbreathers who fall for the current "threat du jour"

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I dislike the full-face covering, i find it very intimidating and I think it would be hard to communicate with someone like that. How bad is it trying to have a conversation with someone when they have a full face lid on? But saying that, I wouldn;t want the option outlawed. People should have a right to wear what they want, not be dictated into a dress-code. Its bad enough when you have to wear a suit for wqork and look like just another mindless drone, but to be told you must wear the same thing all day everyday and never be allowe to change into something more casual and representitive of yourself as a person...well thats just really bad

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A frenchman with some bottle, and USA beating Spain at football.

The end truly is nigh.

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But do you think this is something a Govt should be in a position to dictate? Would you be in favour of Gordon Brown bannign the wearing of Burkas in this country for example...or as Sarkozy did at least ban all religious symbols in schools, for example.

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Sarkozy is a prat, he must be he is French, it goes with the territory.

However, I do agree 100% with the concept of a secular society and government. There is no place for religion or symbols of religion within a modern tolerant society. and I fully support his argument

I have no issues with the little of islam I know and understand. I do have major issue with anyone who can take 2000 year old text and attempt to apply it out of context, or use it as justification for their own ignorance of their religion. That goes for all the major religions, islam, christianity, judaeism etc.

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I seem to recall a muslim guy calling into a radio phone in to say that the complete covering of women isn't a religious requirement at all, it's more of a cultural one, and that the Koran simply says that women should dress "modestly" - which obviously leaves it wide open to interpretation.

Personally, I think he's on dodgy ground dictating a dress code to the country, and can't help wondering if there's something in the wind that he'd rather we didn't hear about - that or an election looming as said before!

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From my understanding of the religious "law" its stated that a woman should not show her hair to anyone other than her husband or god.
In Judaism they have the same rule and the very odd thing about jews is that they pay about £3-4 THOUSAND pounds for real human hair wigs...to wear over their own hair.
Muslims wear a cloth over their hair and someone tells them it should cover their whole body, jews wear somone elses hair...yet both do it cos their religious rules say they mustn't show their hair.

Why is hair such a sacred thing i wonder???

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Key word there.........