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Jason H 10-06-13 08:28 AM

Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
Hi All,

I did an oil and filter change on my K6 on saturday morning, took her out for a ride and found just before heading home that I couldn't engage neutral instead I was simply shifting up and down between 1st and 2nd.

The shift from 1st to 2nd also felt very hard (2nd to 1st not so much).

Turning the engine off and shifting into neutral wasn't a problem.

I did a quick search on here saturday afternoon and found the lovely instructional thread by anna on how to adjust the clutch. Sunday morning I adjusted the clutch as per instructions 1/8 of a turn on the screw etc.

Put it all back together, started her up and sat there shifting up and down in and out of neutral with ease. Took the bike out for about 15mins but then found that it wouldn't go into neutral again once home.

On the way into work this morning I have had the same problem, first 10 mins or so of the ride it would go into neutral no problem but once it was fully warmed up to normal running temperature it would no longer do it.

I'd really like to sort this before the AR...

Any help and/or advice?

The Guru 10-06-13 08:55 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
You overfilled the oil?

johnnyrod 10-06-13 08:59 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
The clutch lifter worm lasts about 20k miles so if you're getting there then it's worth looking at, the little balls eat into the worm and it feels squidgy and doesn't work so well.

Red Herring 10-06-13 09:18 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
I'm just slightly confused by how it seems OK when cold, but not when warm. Normally it's the other way round and the cause is clutch drag.

Does it make any difference if you are moving or not?

Jason H 10-06-13 09:56 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Guru (Post 2875475)
You overfilled the oil?

The oil level is just below the F on the sight glass (whilst on the side stand) Would you advise taking some out then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyrod (Post 2875476)
The clutch lifter worm lasts about 20k miles so if you're getting there then it's worth looking at, the little balls eat into the worm and it feels squidgy and doesn't work so well.

Mine is just over the 25/26k miles so I may look at this. What do you mean by it feels squidgy?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Herring (Post 2875479)
I'm just slightly confused by how it seems OK when cold, but not when warm. Normally it's the other way round and the cause is clutch drag.

Does it make any difference if you are moving or not?

Can't say I've tried putting it into neutral whilst moving to be honest. Not something I'd usually do...

daveyrach 10-06-13 10:30 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason H (Post 2875496)
The oil level is just below the F on the sight glass (whilst on the side stand) Would you advise taking some out then?

Too much oil, it should be at this level when on a flat level surface, if it is on F when on the stand then it is overfilled (by quite a bit)

Popy Fresco 10-06-13 10:53 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason H (Post 2875470)
I did a quick search on here saturday afternoon and found the lovely instructional thread by anne on how to adjust the clutch. Sunday morning I adjusted the clutch as per instructions 1/8 of a turn on the screw etc.

Can you put the link?

Seems i'm too stupid to find it...

Jason H 10-06-13 11:23 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyrach (Post 2875502)
Too much oil, it should be at this level when on a flat level surface, if it is on F when on the stand then it is overfilled (by quite a bit)

Aha, awesome. I will try to empty some oil out then...any suggestions on the best way to do this?

Also not that I really need to know this but why does too much oil cause this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popy Fresco (Post 2875508)
Can you put the link?

Seems i'm too stupid to find it...

Here it is:
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.p...utch+adjusting

daveyrach 10-06-13 11:31 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason H (Post 2875519)
Aha, awesome. I will try to empty some oil out then...any suggestions on the best way to do this?

It is very difficult without emptying all of it out, try getting a friend to help hold it up right or invest in a stand so you can put the bike on a level.

m`baubz 10-06-13 11:39 AM

Re: Difficulty engaging neutral once warm
 
a big syringe and plastic tubing worked for me, but that's because i had that in the garage.

alternatively, dump the oil into a clean pan and pour back up to correct level.


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