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454697819 01-11-13 12:48 PM

Is this not a form of racism?
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-24770995

If someone saw someone wearing clothes which symbolised links with atrocities from another nationality, and someone complained, do you think the person wearing the cloths or the person complaining would have been asked to leave the store?

I guess it was distasteful but in this day an age should an SS uniform still carry the same stigma?

thoughts on a friday pm?

Bibio 01-11-13 01:08 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
yes it still carries the same stigma. yes it's distasteful, but so was the bloody WWII war.

on a side note, i'm sick and tired of all the glory documentary's, marches, remembrances etc.etc. i realy wish people would put WWII to rest it's over 60 years ago but people are still banging on about it, it wasnt glory it was a damned stupid war that people got killed because some nutter wanted to rule the world, why would you want to remember and glorify such a horrific event is beyond me.

a Hitler post.. lol

maviczap 01-11-13 01:14 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
I can think of 6 million reasons why

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

I'm not religious at all, but we shouldn't forget what the SS did, ever.

But I'm agreement with Bib to some degree. It won't be long before we move on to another conflict

Biker Biggles 01-11-13 01:52 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
Asda getting ideas above their station.I thought it was only Harrods that has a dress code.;)

Red Herring 01-11-13 01:57 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
WW2 was about several things, but principally it was about stopping one individual impose his beliefs on the rest of Europe and to retain the freedom that allows people to belong to a group of their choosing without fear of persecution. It does seem rather ironic that those that stand up and profess to represent that freedom of choice that so many people died to protect are the first to condemn someone who is exercising theirs. If some bloke wants to go around representing a group of people who are generally despised then that's up to him. As long as he doesn't try and do anything that impacts on my quality of life or puts me in fear of that happening then good luck to him.

Spank86 01-11-13 02:38 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Herring (Post 2915512)
WW2 was about several things, but principally it was about stopping one individual impose his beliefs on the rest of Europe and to retain the freedom that allows people to belong to a group of their choosing without fear of persecution.

Championed by such bastions of freedom as the British empire. and the USSR.

WW2 was about us, not wanting to be ruled by them and individual countries wanting to maintain or expand their power on the world stage Britain has only ever intervened in Europe when it looked like one power was getting too much control, we were always more interested in maintaining stable tension than peace.

All else was either an aside, or historical revisionism.





As for the Nazi uniform, the SS weren't a race so it can't be racist, it is however impolite and he was on private property so its not an issue of personal freedom. You can't yell fire in a crowded cinema and you can't walk naked through a primary school... at least not twice.

TamSV 01-11-13 03:02 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
I'm not sure where you get the suggestion of racism from. Unless there was an Idi Amin lookalike at the bakery counter and a Papa Doc Duvalier in wines and spirits who remained unmolested I can't see that he's been mistreated due to his race.

I suspect any person in Nazi uniform would have elicited a similar response regardless of the colour of their skin. Asda were well within their rights to put him out of their private property for no other reason than he's a **** who, it seems, wasn't even buying anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 454697819 (Post 2915497)
I guess it was distasteful

But you're not sure? To put it another way, do you think it might have been tasteful? ;)

Red Herring 01-11-13 03:58 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spank86 (Post 2915517)
...You can't yell fire in a crowded cinema and you can't walk naked through a primary school... at least not twice.

Shouting fire in a cinema is likely to induce panic which in turn will lead to people getting trampled and injured. Walking naked through a primary school would possibly give the head teacher a heart attack, but more likely cause a certain amount of fear about what your intentions were.

Both are wrong because they are likely to harm another. Dressing like a prat in Asda is purely antisocial, and right at the bottom of that scale as well.

Spank86 01-11-13 03:58 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TamSV (Post 2915520)
I suspect any person in Nazi uniform would have elicited a similar response regardless of the colour of their skin. Asda were well within their rights to put him out of their private property for no other reason than he's a **** who, it seems, wasn't even buying anything.

Perhaps the racism is because he wasn't actually in a nazi uniform, it was merely a hindu gentleman in a suit :p:D?

Spank86 01-11-13 04:01 PM

Re: Is this not a form of racism?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Herring (Post 2915528)
Shouting fire in a cinema is likely to induce panic which in turn will lead to people getting trampled and injured. Walking naked through a primary school would possibly give the head teacher a heart attack, but more likely cause a certain amount of fear about what your intentions were.

Both are wrong because they are likely to harm another. Dressing like a prat in Asda is purely antisocial, and right at the bottom of that scale as well.

Good point, If however he'd done it in the showers at the local leisure center fear would have been appropriate.


But my main point was that on private land you can make any rule you like as long as it's within the law and shops have the right to refuse service for NO reason if they wish (there are some reasons they cannot refuse service for but they still can for no reason... go figure).


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