lol I'm sure that's the case but would nevertheless like to get it 'out of my system', so to speak

I also want to know what it feels like so that it doesn't take me by surprise when it does happen, like the squiggle I did when I touched my toe sliders down for the first time - eek!
Equally will eventually want to learn how to do a wheelie, so I don't panic when I feel the lift at the top of the mountain, but that's a different thread altogether
Kwak - industrial estate is a really good idea, thanks. I did actually go roundabout hunting the other week but all too busy