Can contersteering be overdone to a dangerous point?

Just curious really. I'm a fan of conscious countersteering and was wondering if, when turning, too much input to the bars can have a bad effect on the bike? I've got an '07 Daytona and the steering is so much sharper than the SV I came from and I just can't seem to lean it more than a certain angle. It feels like it's gonna fall. I know I need to practice practice practice and maybe I'll adjust the trail to make it a bit more stable while I learn.

Any input appreciated bar gumph.

[flymo]

you know what, I'ld recommend that you dont adjust anything and carry on with the practice practice practice bit

if you spend too much time thinking about what you are doing rather than where you are going you'll end up on your **** heading for the nearest kirb.

Practice will deliver.

He he. I've never been very good at leaning on the road but am ok on the track. Think I need a bit more training or just to go out with some fellow SVers maybe.

[flymo]

I think its just a confidence thing, you can read about it all day but its really only when you are out practicing will it make any difference.

The track is a good place to do that sort of thing. I often get asked "How do you get your knee down" and its the same principle.....dont think about it, it will happen when you are ready.

The hardest part is that you are fighting your own survival instincts to keep the bike upright. There's so much to understand about it all really and I thoroughly recommend the 'Twist of the wrist' books from the California Superbike School people. Lots to get your head around but it definately works.

I ended up touching down a side fairing on my FZR400 race bike....that was a little scary the first time but you just get used to it.

I've got sports touring tyres right to the edge on the track it's just I don't seem to be able to lean anything a decent amount on the road.

What about the countersteering question?

[Balky001]

I've never heard of someone over-countersteering, not sure you can really. It is 'possible' but unlikely.

The point with counter-steering on a road bike is to stop the front folding and turn quicker/tighter. The more you counter-steer the more/quicker you can get it on the side. Once you are at your desired angle you should stop pushing the inside bar but gain balance. If you keep pushing the inside bar then what you are asking of the bike is to lean more. If you are leaning more than the bike/tyres can go then you could over-countersteer but chances are you're survival instinct wont let you go that far and there would be other factors involved by then e.g suspension balanced, throttle position.

Have a look at the speedway guys. They're quite good at counter-steering

I did a course last year rode straight at the instructor and didn't swerve until he pointed the direction to go in big push on the bars in and out no one had any trouble. Bikes on the day ranged from a 125 to a Gold wing and no one encountered any problems with to big a counter steer; speeds about 35 mph as we approached Martin.

Kenny Roberts (world champion on 500cc two strokes) allways said that the time taken going from upright to leant over was wasted so to do it as quickly as possible.

What I really mean Balky is can the initial input upset the front wheel traction rather than if I counter steer too much will it fall over. I think Essex answered it really. What I don't want to do is try using countersteering more and find the front going.

[flymo]

Yeah, Balky is right though. You actually always counter steer without realising it, thats how a bike turns. If you keep countersteering then the bike will keep leaning further to the point that you fall off, so you need to know when to stop.

Above all though you must be gentle, you can change direction slowly or more quickly but if you are violent when doing it then it will all end in tears.

That's exactly what I meant. Is it easy to end in tears but I suppose you only do it as suggested by Essex in an emergency.