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not been for a while, mates going tomorrow, wanna give him money to get me some (L&B), anyone know the price at the moment...exchange rate is 1.08
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thanks lily! ur a star!!!!
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I guess 649,408,879 cigs in rome. How close am I?
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Just checked with my Rome colleagues, no smokers in the group! If you had asked sooner, might have been able to find out.
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no but found this about Itialian Fags...
Fight locked to the smoke Tobacco: apparition prohibition the conquest of the East the Italian cigarettes "does not pull seriously" Broken off accomplices commerce cigarettes the multinational nuoce to the health The cigarette consumption is moved to South Between 1990 and the ' 97 are increased of the 24,3 for hundreds in Middle East, of the 8,6 for hundreds in Asia-Pacific and of the 3,6 for hundreds in Africa, while in the same period it has decreased in the western Countries: less 10,9 for hundreds in Europe, less 7,6 for hundreds in America North. And it diminishes also in Latin America and It centers them: less 16,5%. Merit of the political of control of the tobacco, second the World Health Organization: thanks to the campaigns anti-smoke, the consumers of the North know that the cigarettes make badly (worse: of cigarettes it can be died) and try to stop. Merit also of the more and more restrictive laws. From 2002 on the cigarette packages of the European Union printed publication lung images will come with the cancer and written "the smoke kills" and from the 2006 cigarette Marches they will come announced publicly from the sponsorships of Formula 1, but the pubblicita' continues of cigarettes on apparel and altro(Malboro, West, Camel). To the South this does not happen. And the multinationals of the tobacco of it are useful with aggressive advertising campaigns or winking in order to make to go up the cigarette consumptions. Attention, is an epochal change: today because of the smoke dies 4 million persons the year, nearly the half in the South of the world. Within the 2030 dead men they will be 10 million and 70% will be in the poor Countries. The new South frontier for the multinationals of the tobacco, with a great advantage: the control of the tobacco is nonexistent weak person or. But to the North it is died of pollution that ago piu' victims of the cigarette. The first producer to the world (for amount) of cigarettes and products of tobacco is the China National Tobacco Corporation (Cntc), of property of the State: China sforna 2,5 million tons of every tobacco year, a third party of the world-wide total. But the Cntc is not one multinational. The names that instead are met more often - ovunque and therefore also in the South of the world are three: Philip Morris, British American Tobacco, RJ Reynolds. They work through joint venture with local companies or granting to these the exploitation of theirs he marks. In the South of the world the multinationals have free hands nearly or. To leave from the confection. If I buy a cigarette package to Oslo, in Norway, I find 10 various indications on the nocività (between the other: cancer, cardiac dependency, diseases, dangerousness during the pregnancy, passive smoke), if I buy it to Montreal in Canada the signallings are 8, in Italy 5, in Denmark or New Zeland 4. Same cigarette package in the South of the world? Generic indications of null nocività or. The cigarettes sold in Uganda, Cambodia, Cameroun, Niger and cigarettes sold in the Duty do not bring back some warning on the dangerousness of the smoke free shop. Same cigarette package means same producer. Why then two weights and two measures? Because the law concurs it: only 26% of the Countries "in via of development" ask the cigarette producers to print the warnings on the packages, against 89% of the States of the North of the world. Therefore for the publicity. Nei western Countries the direct promotion of cigarettes and products of forbidden tobacco is of usual. The multinationals try to go around the restrictions with several sponsorships: from the cultural events and sportswomen to the apparel lines. Tried instead taking a walk for the ways of Dakar, the understood one them of the Senegal. Giant advertising billboards, beach umbrellas in order to repair itself from the sun, manifestos of concerts: all sponsor to you from the more famous cigarette Marches with a lot than package in beautiful sight. And the consumptions are pass you from 430 cigarettes per capita of 1970 to the 1,050 of 1990. An increase of 144% in vent' years. The Senegal has been one of the first Countries Africans to approve of - in years ' 80- you read on the control of the tobacco: no smoking in the local publics, prohibits the spot to you television. But the norm is modified for the pressure of the companies manufacturers and today the advertising cigarette promotion is common. The strategy: one addresses to us to a public young person heading at the called mirage America with slogan as "You evade with Marlboro" or "America arrival!" (L&M).Identica situation in Rumania, Ucraina, Russia where the cigarettes come pubblicizzate with large caterlloni but with warnings that the cigarettes damage the health. You see our ADS Gallery cigarettes.The 93% of the Senegalese market is in hand to the Manufacture du Tabac de the Ouest Africain (Mtoa), company controlled nearly totally from the French Coralma International, in its turn of property of Bolloré and Seita, always French. Mtoa has then tightened agreements with some foreign multinationals in order to produce cigarettes with theirs marks. In particular Marlboro and L&M (Philip Morris) and Camel and Gold Coast (RJ Reynolds). The two multinationals Americans are in Senegal from years ' 80. An other example of publicity without limits is that one of India. Here the war of the multinationals of the tobacco is locked, the objective is to conquer the smokers of bidi, (typical rolled Indian cigarettes by hand): the data on the consumptions speak about 1.220 bidi procapite every year, against hardly 150 cigarettes. It is estimated that they are the 250 million persons who make tobacco use constant. Every year 103 billions of Liras) in publicity for cigarettes and products of tobacco are spold 2,3 billions of rupie (. In head the Indian Tobacco Company (Itc), the first cigarette producer of the Country, than in 1999 has spold 2 billions of rupie (90 billions of Liras). The multinationals often move through the local societies. British American Tobacco has siglato agreements with Itc in order to produce cigarettes Benson & Hedges and Been Express 555. Philip Morris instead produces Marlboro and Chesterfield through Godfrey Philips India (Gpi) and he sells to them through controlled Philip Morris India. But Gpi commercializes also Rothman' s (than from 1999 it is a Bat brand). RJ Reynolds has an agreement with the Mk group Ways for marks Camel, Winston and Salem. The publicity of cigarettes and products of tobacco in India is ovunque: newspapers, television, cinema. Without to forget the sponsorships about concerts and events sportswomen. But the mouthful more ghiotto for the multinationals remains China, the giant where the smokers are 430 million. Production and commercialization of the tobacco are in hand to the company of State, the Cntc, but in the last years us Philip Morris, RJ Reynolds and Bat have been openings to the multinationals (between the others also here). The Chinese law on the publicity is much rigid one, is not admitted announcements on newspapers, radio, televisions and the cigarette packages must bring back the dicitura "To smoke are rischioso for your health". But the norm is easy aggirabile: enough to eliminate the word "cigarette" and to promote - for example the "pleasure of the world of Marlboro". China e' also the Country that produces cigarettes without to pay the royalties to the Marboro, to the Camel. China sells cigarettes not to cigarette sticks but to tons, minimum purchase a cigarette container and by now these cigarettes made in China are invading the world and if these cigarettes enter illegamente in Europe, but the cigarette contraband in the large world is and convene very to the multinationals of the cigarettes that cosi sell many cigarettes. The business of the contraband of cigarettes e' only of the multinationals that sponsor this in order to sell piu' cigarettes. The three great sisters of the tobacco PHILIPS MORRIS COMPANIES INC. It is the greatest multinational of the tobacco. She has center to New York, the dependent all over the world are 137 mila. In 1999 the turnover has been of 78 billions of dollars (166 mila billions of Liras), 60% derives from the field tobacco. It marks more you notice are Marlboro, Merit, Chesterfield, Muratti. Philip Morris controls also Kraft Foods (34% of the turnover, marks like Philadelphia, Milka, Toblerone, Suchard, Sottilette, coffee Hag and Splendid), Miller Brewing Company (6% of the turnover, produces between the other the beers Miller and Foster) and the holding company Philip Morris Capital Corporation. In the December 2000 Philip Morris has acquired the Holding Nabisco Corp., alimentary giant from 8,4 billions of turnover dollars (nearly 18 mila billions of Liras). BRITISH AMERICAN TOBACCO PLC Center to London, 90 mila employee and a turnover of 11 billions of dollars (23 mila and 400 billions of Liras). Its more famous cigarettes: Lucky Strike, Dunhill, Pall Mall. In the 1999 it has been melted with Rothmans and it has some acquired marks. The American controls also Brown & Williamson Tobacco. The American review Multinational monitor has inserted the Bat between the 10 gets worse companies of 2000, for its involvement in the cigarette contraband (as it emerges from documents secrets of the multinational and the inquiry of the daily paper The Guardian: www.guardian.co.uk/bat). RJ REYNOLDS TOBACCO PLC Center to Winston-Salem (USA), 7,800 dependent and 7,6 billions of turnover dollars (16 mila and 600 billions of Liras). It has made part of the RJ Reynolds Nabisco until 1999, year in which the field tobacco it has become independent. Between it marks more you notice: Camel, Winston, Salem. Thailandia. Fight locked to the smoke the Thailandia has one of the strictest laws anti-smoke to the world. And until 1989 nearly total on the import of foreign tobaccos existed also a block. The instruments adopt to you: taxes elevated, ban of the publicity on cigarettes, governmental monopoly on the cigarette production. The Thailand Tobacco Monopoly (Ttm) is in fact the only cigarette legal producer of the Country and depends on the ministry of Finances. But in 1989 the United States Export Association, that it re-unites Philip Morris, RJ Reynolds and Brown & Williamson (a subsidiary one of the Bat) has made pressures appealing to the Trade Act of the 1975 (USA law on the commerce) and the Gatt in order to push the thailandese government to open the frontiers: in the ' 91 for before it turns foreign cigarettes have entered legal in the Country. But the restrictions remain iron: cigarettes are forbidden to the publicity on whichever mass media (except those aliens) therefore like the distribution of free champions and promozionali articles. The warnings on the nocività of the tobacco must at least occupy 33% of the cigarette package, cigarette vending machines to us do not exist and the sale is forbidden to the minors of 18 years. From years ' 70 it is prohibited to smoke in the places publics. Moreover, the alien corporations must communicate to the Ministry of Health the ingredients of every mark of cigarettes commercialized. The rules not always come respected: publicity on newspapers and manifestos, beyond that on cappellini, Ts-shirt and other, came used already in years ' 80, when the foreign cigarette import was limited. And then the companies resort to indirect promozionali systems: exposure of marks in the points sale of the products from smoke, artistic sponsorships of concerts and events, donations of money to beneficence associations, sale of apparel like "Marlboro Classic" and "Camel Trophy Adventure". From the 1945 in Italy announced publicly pubblictà of analogous cigarettes and Tobacco: prohibition of apparition In the United States the cigarette consumption cannot be promoted in television, radio or with manifestos. But the publicity is concurred on newspapers, with obligation to publish also warnings to it on the harmfulness of the smoke.They do not come limited the publicity indirect, through the so-called "diversification of marks" (marks it of cigarettes, as an example, becomes also the name of one apparel line). They are but studying more restrictive norms. Similar norms also in Canada and Australia. The European Union prohibits the publicity in radio and Tv from 1989. Some Countries have laws stricter than others: in Portugal, Italy and France are announced publicly whichever type of publicity of the products from smoke. Other Countries are more permissive, but still in order little: European directive 98/43 gives time until 2006 to the States members for the introduction of the prohibition total of publicity of the smoke, but then the U.E. takes financings from the multinationals in order to fight the sale on linens of cigarettes directed the private cigarette consumers but then the contraband concurs that allows to sell many cigarettes. In Italy the publicity of cigarettes and products made up of tobacco is forbidden since 1965. The endorsements for the violation of the law can arrive to 50 million Liras. But there are many ways in order to go around the law: the cigarette Marches have become "griffe" fashionable, great sponsor of prizes of Formula one or other manifestations sport, sponsor of cultural events. The conquest of the New East objective economic - with the South of the world it is Europe Orients them. Fall of the iron Curtain, privatizations of the enterprises be them, low cost of the job. But above all new markets to conquer. Here the magical words that have attracted also here the multinationals of the tobacco. Emblematic the case of Soviet Ex-Unione. The multinational colossus are arrive in all the Republics to you with systems for the cigarette production, through participation in the local societies or with new realizations. To leave from Russia. With 40 million smokers (110 million in all the Russian Federation), between which 60% of the male population, and a procapite consumption of 1.757 cigarettes the year, Russia is the greater market in Europe and the quarter in the world for largeness. In 1995, 61 million cigarettes (44% of the Russian total) was produced in 8 plants in which smaller Philip Morris, RJ Reynolds, Bat and other companies they had between 49% and 92% of the quotas, therefore the control total. Between 1992 and the 1998 the multinationals have invested beyond 1 billion of dollars (2,100 billions of Liras) in the Russian industry of the tobacco. And the transactions seem to go to swollen sails if the "three large ones" have decided to increase the investments. RJ Reynolds in next the two years will spend 120 million dollars (255 billions of Liras) in order to transform the factory of Saint Pietroburgo in its greater productive system to outside of the USA Philip Morris will close disburse 200 million dollars (425 billions of Liras) for a system to Saint Pietroburgo that would have to produce 50 million cigarettes the year. "the situation is typical of all the Countries of former-Ussr", emphasizes the Iuf, the international union of the alimentary mayoralties and the tobacco. Soviet Ex-Unione is a mouthful ghiotto not only for the dimensions of the market, but also "for the low salaries and the weakness of the mayoralties". The expansion of the multinationals of the tobacco is accompanied from one massiccia advertising campaign. The import cigarettes represent 40% of all the Russian publicity. The law has forbidden the spot television that regards cigarettes, but it allows on printed publication paper and manifestos them on condition that they bring back warnings on the nocività of the product. The tactics of the multinationals for the promotion of the products go then from the distribution of free champions, to the sponsorship of events sportswomen, the creation of local Marches and slogan that rifares the feeling Russian nationalist. Peter the Large one "of RJ Reynolds is the case of cigarettes". Also in Ucraina the large ones of the tobacco have arrived after 1990 acquiring the factories in via of privatization: 30% are in hand to foreign societies. Before, with a third party of the local market, she is the Reemstma German whom the happened one with the creation of local Marches has conquered. The first society to stars and strisce to put foot on the ground ucraino has been the RJ Reynolds in 1992. Before independence the cigarette publicity was forbidden, today is allowed to the announcements on newspapers and manifestos, but also the publicity printed publication on Ts-shirt and gadgets. In Ucraina 60% of the publicity are relative to alcohol and foreign cigarettes. The slogan is the usuals and heads at escape desire: "it savours the freedom" or "it tastes the West". Similar situation in Rumania, new Country that this year in the U.E. enters, pubblicita' of cigarettes long the roads, sale of cigarettes to every angle and then much cigarette contraband made in Rep. Moldova where exists a Trasnistria region where does not exist some law and is figured if it exists on cigarettes, but them the multinationals of cigarettes are present all and cosi the cigarette production goes to swollen sails and entire TIR of cigarettes journey for Rumania directed in Europe. Moreover, hour in all Italy cigarettes made in Rumania have appeared, cigarettes made in Ucraina, Cigarettes made in Rep. Moldova that enter calmly in Italia and are transported from Tir, autocari for transport of persons that every day carries in Europe Romeni, Moldavi, Ucraini and many cigarettes, but many cigarettes. Finally in the European airports of arrival it does not come carried out some control and cosi arrive giornalmente from Ucraina, Rumania many persons who transport alone cigarettes, sell cigarettes and after two days they return in their Country, they acquire other cigarettes and they return with others two cigarette suitcases to person. Nobody says nothing on this continuous contraband but to the angle of every road or daglki friends are alone smuggled cigarettes. Italy lives. Slowly of rearrangement for the Agency tobaccos the Italian cigarettes "do not pull" In Italy cigarettes - but also sigari, tobacco, knows them and paper is produced from the Agency tobaccos (Eti). Former legal monopoly, joint-stock company from the slid year, is in via of privatization. That ago rhyme with "rearrangement" or "restructure", if you want: in order to become attractive the Eti must elieve of 3.584 dependent and 28 systems between productive plants and warehouses. The rearrangement is begun in 2000 and will finish in 2002. Also the social order must become more snello and aim at production and distribution. Just like the main European contenders. That, removed the great multinationals, they call Austria Tabak and Seita then (France) and Tabacalera (Spain): these two have been melted in 1999 giving life to Altadis, new society that public square to the quarter place in is classified of the greatest world-wide producers than produced of tobacco. But the problems of the Eti do not end here: that one of the tobacco is "a mature" market - the plan of that is stable rearrangement emphasizes. It is therefore also the Italian market: stable, with an increase "of the quota the products it imports to you and of the products on licence to forehead of a consisting decrement of the Italian products". In other words: the cigarettes of Philip Morris imported or prepared on licence from the same Agency tobaccos always sell more, succeeding in to occupy 59% of the Italian market for amount. The targate cigarettes Eti (MS, Alpha, National, in order to mean to us, but also the From Tuscany sigari) do not have a large one happening: in 1989 the market share was of 56%, in 1998 was collapsed to 40%. The reason? The quality of the products is not high and posiziona in one wrap yourself of lower-middle price. From here the prescription for the rearrangement. First: "to value the business produced from smoke and distribution". According to: "to rationalize and to dismettere the not strategic activities", that is paper, knows them, filters, premanufacture. And it knows them in particular, that in the ' 98 she has marked 12 billions of losses. It will go therefore changed the social structure puts into effect them. Today on the Agency other four societies depend: Ati (premanufacture tobaccos), AtiSale, AtiCarta, Filters Spa. to you Other strategy: the internationalization. Today the Agency tobaccos exports in France and Germany,but it plans to catch up Spain, Greece, Belgium and Lussemburgo. And then they are in phase of joint venture study for the cigarette production in South America and Asia. Routes accomplices the multinationals of the tobacco are accomplices of the cigarette contraband. The European Union is convinced some, than 6 past November it has denounced two between the greater producers to the cigarette world - Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds near the court of New York, having asked the compensation for the subìto economic damage. The smuggled cigarette sale is equivalent in fact to taxes that the Ue cannot embed: approximately 2 billions of Liras for every container. They will be the judges Americans to establish the entity of the compensation; the losses of the Countries members of the Ue have been of 20 mila billions of Liras in 1998-' the 99. And to the denunciation of the European Union it has joined also the Italian government, some weeks after. It could therefore be arrived to an absurdity: Italy denunciation Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds but while continues to produce on licence just cigarettes of Philip Morris. But Italy cosi like other Countries of the European Union, has perceived from Philip 40 Morris USD MINE in order to fight the illegal introduction in just the territory of sold cigarettes on line.Il cigarette commerce and the cigarette production and sale introduce great incongruenze only justified from the interest of several the Countries to make moneies on cigarettes. It comes financed from the Marlboro the fight to the contraband of the Marlboro cigarettes, but the Marlboro sells cigarettes to the smugglers, you e' prohibition against the smoke but the Italian state arrichisce with the smoke, the Marlboro sells free cigarettes to the Duty shop and then it finances the States in order not to make to sell cigarettes to the Duty Free shop. But what enters the companies of the tobacco with the smugglers there? According to the Ue the cigarette dealers directly buy the goods from the multinationals, than of they are aware but they do not make null in order to prevent it. Indeed, second the review Tobacco Control the favorable contraband for the same companies because it allows greater sales and is a system in order to enter in markets sluices (like that Chinese, as an example, where every year they come imports 40 to you million cigarettes clandestinely). The more diffuse Marches are those Americans, like Marlboro and Camel. The smuggled cigarettes come legal acquired from the companies manufacturers in the USA and arrive to the port of Anversa in Belgium like "R-in.transito" goods. Officially destined cigarette draft to European Countries, like the Africa North. For this they are tax-free. But once left Anversa, if of forgiveness the traces. The three main routes. Before from Belgium the door in Switzerland. Here the cigarettes are not more under the European legislation and receive one new nation, than of usual it is Europe of the East or Soviet Ex-Unione. According to distance: from the port of Anversa they arrive to the airports of Belgium and Low Paesi and from catches up here of new Europe orients them. From the Countries of iron Ex-Cortina they re-enter therefore in European Union, directed above all in Germany and Italy (arrive here above all from Albania and Montenegro, Country that is becoming the new triage center of the contraband). Third route: from the Beglio they arrive directly in Spain, Andorra to Portugal. In 1996 in Europe they are enters 100 million "duty-free" cigarettes for a value of 14 billions of dollars (nearly 30 mila billions to you of Liras). More and more numerous the causes lawyers lost from the cigarette producers the multinational nuoce seriously to the health the recent history of the multinationals of the tobacco are written on stamped paper. The first judicial cause is of 1954 when a smoker becomes ill itself of cancer and sporge denunciation: on the cigarette package the dangerousness of the smoke did not come marked. It will have but to wait for 1965 because the first warnings anti-tobacco appear on the packages. The multinationals have always denied the existence of a tie between the smoke of cigarettes and the cancer. But many medical studies try the contrary exactly. In the ' 94 the Mississippi is the first State American to ask a compensation for supported sanitary expenses for the diseases from smoke. In 24 they will follow its example. From that year in then the producers cigarette Americans they become protagonists accustoms them of the courts. And in the 1998 they admit that the smoke could provoke the cancer. In 1999 Philip Morris it loses two causes against private citizens: the judges decide compensations for 131 million dollars (280 billions of Liras). But the figure record is of the past year. The court of Miami, Florida, establishes that the multinationals are guilty of the damages provoke to the smokers. And they must pay: Philip Morris, RJ Reynolds, the Browns & Williamson (of property of the Bat), Lorillard, Ligget will have to disburse 145 billions of dollars, are worth to say more than 300 mila billions of Liras. Obviously the condemned companies will resort in appeal. While, strongly of the sentence American, the Codacons, association for the protection of the consumers, cause for damages from active smoke puts to disposition a telephone line for who wanted to intentare one. The first itaiana denunciation has left the past year: it is that one of two private citizens against the Agency Italian tobaccos (Eti). The processes against the multinationals of the tobacco also have rendered publics many unknown business documents. HISTORY The tobacco rests, derive to you from the production of sigari, came wrapped in a cartina and smoke to you. Therefore the cigarette, in origin, was a refuse product. In 1784 to Seville, in Spain, the first cigarette factory was founded. The true triumph of the cigarette was but during the war of Crimea (1853): the soldiers French, English, and Turks who fought ally to you against the Russians, of it learned the custom and therefore, the London traders and Parisians, began to import cigarettes from Russia. The known Marches more are: Philip Morris whom he opened to London in 1847, the Louis Rothmans that you open anch' he just the store to London in 1890, the third party is the son of Spanish esiliato to London that in 1852 created the Craven cigarettes. The cigarette packages, sovente, have one graphical and of the inviting colors therefore that also the smokers of are not contagiati. moreover, the names of some Marches, can evoke adventure, mondanità, elegance. Often, the personal preference, is influenced from the name that becomes nearly expression of a particular style of life. The gauloises they promise a strong pleasure, while the Rothmans recalls the classic English elegance; Camel, Lucky Strike and Marlboro evoke the America, earth of cow-boys and the life "on the road". cartier cigarettes. cartier cigarettes.Beyond to the name the decisive factor for the choice of the cigarette it is the quality of the tobacco. Black or blond tobacco ce n' is for all the tastes. From the America passing for Spain: the way is this that the cigarette has completed before arriving to noi.I first documents that try use it of cigarettes go back to the second half of XVI the century, when i active Spanish missionaries in the center and the south America imbattono in "papelitos", ragments of tobacco wrapped in pieces of paper or maize leaves smoke to you from the NATO you of the place. The manufacture of this particular object comes very soon exported in Spain, a lot that the successive century is characterized from the national cigarette production, directed descendants of the rudimentali papelitos. In the 1600 the sale in the bookcases of particular "booklets of paper for cigarettes" produced to Valencia is diffused. While in a 1700 valid testimony of diffusing itself of the cigarette it is given from Giacomo Casanova: in its Memories it describes, during an Iberian stay in 1767, the encounter with a man attempt to smoke one wrapped species of sigaretto in a foglietto of paper. To confirmation, finally, of the Spanish primogenitura of the cigarette they puts into effect is the term "spagnoletta", for along interchanging time with that one of "cigarette", and the iconografica documentation that of it Francisco Goya in its "North wind" gives, translate painting in 1776 and in tapestry in the 1778.Affacciandosi to XIX the century, the cigarette enters stablily in the consumption of tobacco of the other European Countries after the fine war of Crimea (1854-1856): they are the soldiers of return the military campaign to diffuse the habit to roll up the tobacco in a paper sheet after to have learned it from the Turks. However permangono of the production difficulties, because all the cigarettes are manifactured by hand, therefore their cost much is elevated: a good laborer manifactures not more in eight hours of job than 1.000-1.200 pezzi.I first marks documents them you of the cigarette consumption in Italy goes back to 1875, when she comes lead the first surveying on the tobacco consumption: the cigarettes pile to single 340 kg, par to 1.9% of all the tobaccos consume in that year (today the percentage to you are of 98.6%). In the same year, the Allen & Cinter, active American company in the field, able machine puts in racing silk a prize of 75.000 dollars for the creation of one to supplant the confezionamento by hand. They want five years so that James to us To Bonsai, the 4 september the 1880, present demand for a licence. And it is therefore modern to still represent the model base of all the machinery puts into effect them, able sfornare 14,000 cigarettes to the minute. 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bleedin ell rich i started reading the first line......then gave up lol whats that all about (ok its about cigs i got that!)
Ed i used to work in italy but that was almost 10 yrs ago now, i know i could get L&B then so he should find some. luckypants - no smokers in the group?...we? are a dying bread..(and quite rightly so....) well i gave him 200 euros see what he can do, either way gotta be cheaper than here me thinks.thanks for the replies ![]() |
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Well they are £37.50 for 200 in Belguim atm which is a £10 jump since July!! Thats till equates to a £20 per box saving voer UK prices.
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