jobcentreplus. data mining...

[Bibio]

just got a letter from job centre asking about the details of my youngest as i claim income support for him... ermm no i have never ever claimed income support for him. so i phoned them up and asked why they need this information that has nothing to do with them as i dont and have never claimed income support for him. answer was he is over 16 and in further education.. ermm yes but that has nothing to do with you. yes but he is over 16 and stays at your address.. ermm yes but again what has that got to do with a claim about income support that i'm supposed to be claiming for him, that i have never claimed so why is it even on your system.... your data gathering aren't you? if your not happy then send a letter asking for an explanation as to why we send these letters out. and if i dont send a letter or fill this one in what can you do about it? ermmm we keep sending you a letter.........

so if i dont fill this letter in and send it back they will keep sending me another out and it has no effect on my current claim. that tells me they are data gathering to know who is doing what and staying where.

its getting beyond a fekin joke in this country, you cant take a shizz without the powers that be wanting to know.

yes i do wear a tinfoil hat

[theenglishman]

Ha! That's the tip of the iceberg. You try and put a loved one into care. You wouldn't believe what 'they' want to try and find out about, just to keep fobbing you off.

All I can say is thank God for the Citizens Advice Bureaux. They are absolutely brilliant at getting the various agencies to tow the line, play nicely and back off.

[timwilky]

As bad as when I got a VOSA pull. Spot checking white vans.

Van clear, insurance and doc checked by plod told you can go. Then someone from the council asks what benefits I am on. WTF has it to do with you and as I attempted to drive off, she tried to jump in front of the van.

I had shout at the cop stood there to tell the idiot woman to get out of my way.

Why should the council need to know what benefits anyone is on simply because they are driving a van.

Sounds more like they thought you WERE claiming income support and were checking for that reason.

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by timwilky

I had shout at the cop stood there to tell the idiot woman to get out of my way.

Why should the council need to know what benefits anyone is on simply because they are driving a van.

Would have thought a simple check of the registered keepers address could have told them if anyone at that address was claiming. Trouble is a lot of stereotypically 'White Van Men' claim benefits whilst doing cash in hand jobs, so are screwing you the hard working tax paying joe public for their benefits, which they're not entitled to. Its a central government thing to clamp down on tax dodgers & benefit scroungers, whilst ignoring their HSBC mates

Bibio, I don't know why they need to know this when you're not claiming?

[Red Herring]

Hard as we might find it to believe quite a few "white van men" are working cash in hand and claiming benefits so any half decent police road check is going to include DSS staff and they should be asking those questions. You are of course quite at liberty not to answer, but then that might give reasonable grounds for wondering why......which used properly can open a whole bigger can of worms.

Assuming she asked you reasonably politely what was the problem with responding accordingly?

[maviczap]

I don't find it hard to believe at all

[Red Herring]

I saw our posts crossed..... I seem to remember we might have similar backgrounds....

[maviczap]

Yes, you're right Red

[Bibio]

i do claim... i have to due to circumstances. but i have never claimed income support for my children yes CB and CTC but they are entirely different things not related to IS.

if they had sent me a letter about CB or CTC then yes they have a right, they are snooping to see what my youngest is up to and if he is working or still at collage... none of your fekin business is what i say...

thing that really gets my goat is that they already know all these details..

i know what they are up to as its the same every year.

IS get details and pass on to local authority for council tax purposes.
local authority then send out letters asking who stays at the address and give details of employment. this is due to the bedroom tax as i stay in a council house.
next comes the CB claim
then comes the CTC claim
then comes my/wifes claim for IS
then its the DLA claim
then its the CA claim.

why cant they just look at peoples circumstances and say here this is what your entitled to and stop all this fekin nonsense with different departments. if i dont fill in any one of the forms correctly i get my money cut and have to live on fek all.

no wonder its easy for people to cheat the system as one hand cant tell you what the other is doing.

i HATE having to go to the GOV for handouts but i have no choice unless someone is going to give me a job at £50+k a year so i can work and have the cash for someone to look after the wife while i'm at work as i would have to pay for that out my own pocket.