To bake or not to bake, that is the question… - SV650.org

30-08-06, 07:25 AM

Need to spray the tank, forks and possibly the frame after a small slide. My dilemma is the following: do I give the job to a respected sprayer who doesn’t have an oven, or do I trust someone I don’t really know but who can bake the paint? The latter is valued in the car circles, whilst the former gets a lot of work from the biking types.

I did some searches and couldn’t get a straight answer. Some say that baking is essential as it will make the paint harder / stronger, whilst others maintain that baking will only benefit the sprayer as he will be able to fit more jobs during the working day as the drying-up is quicker. What do you think?

Thanks a million

BillyC · 30-08-06, 08:38 AM

First of all, don't let anyone with an "oven" or "heater" anywhere near your SV panels.

Most of them are plastic (except the tank) and will warp and melt very easily. I speak from experience after watching a t-piece bend in my Uncle's hands.

2 pack paint will dry solid within 20 minutes, and be ready for use quickly. Cellulose paints will need to cure for a few weeks before they're ready to be finished (and then used). They will not be petrol resistant.

If either of these guys will use a 2 pack paint, then go with them... but don't use an oven. With 2 pack, I can't really see how it would be hugely beneficial on the tank.

Cars are mostly metal, ovens and heaters allow sprayers to get through lots of coats on lots of panels, quickly.

30-08-06, 11:57 AM

yep ,as billy said ,an oven /heating thing only dries the paint quicker ,not a lot of actual diff in the finished item ,id say go with the guy who has a good rep within the bikers ,a good job is btr than a quick job

30-08-06, 12:11 PM

That is what I was inclined to do, but I needed your valued opinion.

Does the frame require any special attention? I need to touch-up some of the lower areas (over heel guards etc.) and would like a durable finish. Can someone tell me what type of paint the OEM frame finish is and what to use to maybe better it (or at least equal it!)?

Thanks

25-09-06, 03:13 PM

Believe it or not I did some touch-up to my frame with a car wheel spray by Simmoniz (If I remember correctly, I'll check later) which is found locally (in Malta), although I had a little trouble finding an extra can lately but finally did from a shop in Fleur-de-Lys. It's incredibly close to the OEM colour. There is no need to cover this in Lacquer. The spray has lacquer inter-mixed.

Regarding the body panels/tank; the paint I used from Molton Ltd. Malta does not have to be baked. When spraying in metalics you would finally give a top clearcoat. This is what needs to be strong. As we have a high level of humidity in Malta care must be taken especially when applying lacquer with hardener as if the wind is blowing from the south the paint will sort of cloud up and get a white-ish milky appearance which is not at all pleasant! Most good local sprayers tend to call their spray booths ovens when in fact they only keep a low temperature to counteract this inconvenience. The constant temperature is also great for the paint to cure and dry up in its required duration for best/optimum result. Hope this helps.

25-09-06, 04:56 PM

i was also under the impression that most "ovens" only baked at around 30 degrees (celsius). I'm surprised at how susceptible to melting the sv appears to be

i'm also a little confuddled as to why all the plastics near the engine and exhaust (e.g. my lower fairings) haven't melted away already

the bike temp can hit 30 degrees when it's off on a hot summer's day!

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30-08-06, 07:25 AM	#1
KUKKU Guest Posts: n/a	To bake or not to bake, that is the question… Need to spray the tank, forks and possibly the frame after a small slide. My dilemma is the following: do I give the job to a respected sprayer who doesn’t have an oven, or do I trust someone I don’t really know but who can bake the paint? The latter is valued in the car circles, whilst the former gets a lot of work from the biking types. I did some searches and couldn’t get a straight answer. Some say that baking is essential as it will make the paint harder / stronger, whilst others maintain that baking will only benefit the sprayer as he will be able to fit more jobs during the working day as the drying-up is quicker. What do you think? Thanks a million

30-08-06, 08:38 AM	#2
BillyC Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The exiles of Kent Posts: 2,184	First of all, don't let anyone with an "oven" or "heater" anywhere near your SV panels. Most of them are plastic (except the tank) and will warp and melt very easily. I speak from experience after watching a t-piece bend in my Uncle's hands. 2 pack paint will dry solid within 20 minutes, and be ready for use quickly. Cellulose paints will need to cure for a few weeks before they're ready to be finished (and then used). They will not be petrol resistant. If either of these guys will use a 2 pack paint, then go with them... but don't use an oven. With 2 pack, I can't really see how it would be hugely beneficial on the tank. Cars are mostly metal, ovens and heaters allow sprayers to get through lots of coats on lots of panels, quickly. __________________ SV650 K3 - Gone. Now a member of the SV650.org Kawasaki brigade!

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30-08-06, 11:57 AM	#3
jim@55 Guest Posts: n/a	yep ,as billy said ,an oven /heating thing only dries the paint quicker ,not a lot of actual diff in the finished item ,id say go with the guy who has a good rep within the bikers ,a good job is btr than a quick job

30-08-06, 12:11 PM	#4
KUKKU Guest Posts: n/a	That is what I was inclined to do, but I needed your valued opinion. Does the frame require any special attention? I need to touch-up some of the lower areas (over heel guards etc.) and would like a durable finish. Can someone tell me what type of paint the OEM frame finish is and what to use to maybe better it (or at least equal it!)? Thanks

25-09-06, 03:13 PM	#5
zunkus Guest Posts: n/a	Believe it or not I did some touch-up to my frame with a car wheel spray by Simmoniz (If I remember correctly, I'll check later) which is found locally (in Malta), although I had a little trouble finding an extra can lately but finally did from a shop in Fleur-de-Lys. It's incredibly close to the OEM colour. There is no need to cover this in Lacquer. The spray has lacquer inter-mixed. Regarding the body panels/tank; the paint I used from Molton Ltd. Malta does not have to be baked. When spraying in metalics you would finally give a top clearcoat. This is what needs to be strong. As we have a high level of humidity in Malta care must be taken especially when applying lacquer with hardener as if the wind is blowing from the south the paint will sort of cloud up and get a white-ish milky appearance which is not at all pleasant! Most good local sprayers tend to call their spray booths ovens when in fact they only keep a low temperature to counteract this inconvenience. The constant temperature is also great for the paint to cure and dry up in its required duration for best/optimum result. Hope this helps.

25-09-06, 04:56 PM	#6
muffles Guest Posts: n/a	i was also under the impression that most "ovens" only baked at around 30 degrees (celsius). I'm surprised at how susceptible to melting the sv appears to be i'm also a little confuddled as to why all the plastics near the engine and exhaust (e.g. my lower fairings) haven't melted away already the bike temp can hit 30 degrees when it's off on a hot summer's day! [/b]