Logic Vs Free thinking - SV650.org

dizzyblonde · 28-09-11, 11:20 AM

Quote:

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic”

Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Discuss.....................

28-09-11, 11:33 AM

Lies--dam lies and statistics
Logic example if only 10% of accidents are caused by drunk drivers you are therfore less likely to have an accident if drunk

Balky001 · 28-09-11, 01:04 PM

I think that describes human nature and faith quite well. Of course, that's only if 'the truth' exists at all in a single version

28-09-11, 01:08 PM

As in both sides of the story and the truth?

Balky001 · 28-09-11, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

As in both sides of the story and the truth?

However truth is perceived.

Dizzy, top work. I've actually been able to use this quote this afternoon to summarise a control function in my firm. Fabulous!

dizzyblonde · 28-09-11, 01:46 PM

hey, who says blondes are dumb

Glad to be of service, although, not many people discussing it here eh!

Balky001 · 28-09-11, 01:50 PM

it's more an evening (couple of JDs) topic

Sid Squid · 28-09-11, 03:36 PM

I don't agree.

The principle is correct, but the suggestion that a given logic, (even if distorted), is preferred, is wrong.

It would be more correct to say that humans often ignore quite plain and readily deductible evidence in order to satisfy a given prejudice. Which is not to say prejudice in any discrediting manner, but that we all have a presumed way of thinking about the things that we know and will apply that natively.

Example:

Something not readily explicable occurs, the religious person ascribes this to God, the spiritualist sees ghosts at work, the scientist says there's not enough data to make a judgement.

This is evidence solely of the manner in which people see the world around them, and thus make judgements using the language or cultural mores with which they are familiar.

And War and Peace is waaaayyy too long, the story is good, but it could really do with some editing.

Bri w · 28-09-11, 03:46 PM

Why can't logical thought be free thinking, and vice versa?

mister c · 28-09-11, 05:16 PM

What does predilection mean? lol

28-09-11, 11:33 AM	#2
Dicky Ticker Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Logic Vs Free thinking Lies--dam lies and statistics Logic example if only 10% of accidents are caused by drunk drivers you are therfore less likely to have an accident if drunk

28-09-11, 01:04 PM	#3
Balky001 Member Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Leigh - on - Sea, Essex. Posts: 1,491	Re: Logic Vs Free thinking I think that describes human nature and faith quite well. Of course, that's only if 'the truth' exists at all in a single version __________________ SV650SK3 - GSXR600K2 - GSXR750K6 - ZX636RC1H - HD Sportster 1200 - CBR600F 2012 - GSXR1000K7 - Triumph Bonneville T100 2019 - Aprilia Tuono 660

28-09-11, 01:08 PM	#4
Dicky Ticker Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Logic Vs Free thinking As in both sides of the story and the truth?

28-09-11, 01:46 PM	#6
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28-09-11, 01:50 PM	#7
Balky001 Member Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Leigh - on - Sea, Essex. Posts: 1,491	Re: Logic Vs Free thinking it's more an evening (couple of JDs) topic __________________ SV650SK3 - GSXR600K2 - GSXR750K6 - ZX636RC1H - HD Sportster 1200 - CBR600F 2012 - GSXR1000K7 - Triumph Bonneville T100 2019 - Aprilia Tuono 660

28-09-11, 03:36 PM	#8
Sid Squid No, I don't lend tools. Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Skunk Works, Nth London Posts: 8,680	Re: Logic Vs Free thinking I don't agree. The principle is correct, but the suggestion that a given logic, (even if distorted), is preferred, is wrong. It would be more correct to say that humans often ignore quite plain and readily deductible evidence in order to satisfy a given prejudice. Which is not to say prejudice in any discrediting manner, but that we all have a presumed way of thinking about the things that we know and will apply that natively. Example: Something not readily explicable occurs, the religious person ascribes this to God, the spiritualist sees ghosts at work, the scientist says there's not enough data to make a judgement. This is evidence solely of the manner in which people see the world around them, and thus make judgements using the language or cultural mores with which they are familiar. And War and Peace is waaaayyy too long, the story is good, but it could really do with some editing. __________________ If an SV650 has a flat tyre in the forest and no-one is there to blow it up, how long will it be 'til someone posts that the reg/rec is duff and the world will end unless a CBR unit is fitted? A little bit of knowledge = a dangerous thing. "a deathless anthem of nuclear-strength romantic angst"

28-09-11, 03:46 PM	#9
Bri w Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Turre, Almeria Posts: 668	Re: Logic Vs Free thinking Why can't logical thought be free thinking, and vice versa? __________________ *"It's not the years in your life, it's the life in your years."* Currently - Fighting the urge... seen a nice Triumph America Previously - Honda CB125, Honda CB400-4 & BSA B40, Moto Guzzi 850, Yamaha RD250, Suzuki GT380, Kawasaki Z1B, Kawasaki Z650, Honda VFR, Triumph Street Triple R.

28-09-11, 05:16 PM	#10
mister c Member Mega Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 2,326	Re: Logic Vs Free thinking What does predilection mean? lol __________________ Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/croozenooze/ Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/colin.hughes.1213?ref=tn_tnmn Yoo Toob https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjG...eMWUx4Ud2dK-yA

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