Change Oil but not filter? - SV650.org

21-07-06, 05:27 AM

How bad would it be to only change the oil and not the filter? My bike didnt come with the tool kit, and the Suzuki dealer near me said it will be at least a week or so to get one in

(needless to say, its my first oil change)

Anyways, the bike needs an oil change as its been close to 4000km since the last one, and Im going on a trip about 1300km long in a few days.

Im thinking change the oil now, and do it again with the filter when I get the wrench...do I really need the wrench??

What do you think?

21-07-06, 05:52 AM

Change the oil and filter at the same time - it is less hassle overall, and gives you peace of mind.

As for the wrench, it isn't part of the standard Suzuki toolkit. On special order, is it?

You can always use that other favourite - a large screwdriver. That comes in a 'one-size fits all', and is readily available.

A.

21-07-06, 06:14 AM

Clean the surface of the filter Grab & Turn!

If that don't shift it whack some masking tape round it for extra purchase

PS If you doing this o the side stand might be worth getting sombody to steady the bike when you give it some "Humpty"!

21-07-06, 06:41 AM

I change my oil every 3500 miles. I only change the filter and spark plugs every other change. Although I do have a spare filter waiting to go if I feel the oil is sufficiently dirty to require a new oil filter.

As has been said, to change the oil filter you can get by without any tools. I wrap round a damp towel and grip that, it gives enough grip to get it off. Failing that, stab it with a screwdriver and use the screwdriver as purchase for leverage. This way can be a bit messy if you don't watch out.

Also, if you do decide to use the screwdriver route, make sure you do not damage the threads that the filter screws onto. Use the screwdriver close to the end of the filter and not at the base. If you get a long enough screwdriver, you can punch a hole in one side and out the other and use both sides as leverage.

21-07-06, 07:29 AM

I managed to remove my filter using a large adjustable spanner (a very large one)
Always been a bit worried about sticking screwdrivers through the filter just in case I still couldn't get it off, and ended up in a bigger mess than when I started

I used to have a 'tool' for removing oil filters - it was basically a stick with a bit of bike chain attached. You wrapped the chain around the filter, clipped it on the stick and hey presto the filter was undone

. Cost £1.99 from my local Halfords (car spares dealer)

Sid Squid · 21-07-06, 07:36 AM

If you can't change the filter I wouldn't worry, change the oil anyway and don't lose any sleep over it.

northwind · 21-07-06, 09:03 AM

I could be still asleep, but I thought the official service schedule only calls for a filter every second oil change anyway?

If it won't come off, by the way, you can whack a chisel or screwdriver through it and use it as a handle.

21-07-06, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

If you can't change the filter I wouldn't worry, change the oil anyway and don't lose any sleep over it.

I agree, every other oil change is fine, and if you miss a filter change, no big deal.....

21-07-06, 12:54 PM

IMHO if a filter cost apx 40% of what you pay for decent oil, change it every time there is nothing like goof lube for ensuring your lump, stys fit.

21-07-06, 01:57 PM

thanks for all the advice. if i dont *need* the right tool for the job thats just fine...chisel/screwdriver sounds good

thanks again

21-07-06, 05:27 AM	#1
flynn209 Guest Posts: n/a	Change Oil but not filter? How bad would it be to only change the oil and not the filter? My bike didnt come with the tool kit, and the Suzuki dealer near me said it will be at least a week or so to get one in (needless to say, its my first oil change) Anyways, the bike needs an oil change as its been close to 4000km since the last one, and Im going on a trip about 1300km long in a few days. Im thinking change the oil now, and do it again with the filter when I get the wrench...do I really need the wrench?? What do you think?

21-07-06, 07:36 AM	#6
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21-07-06, 09:03 AM	#7
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	I could be still asleep, but I thought the official service schedule only calls for a filter every second oil change anyway? If it won't come off, by the way, you can whack a chisel or screwdriver through it and use it as a handle. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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21-07-06, 05:52 AM	#2
Topaz Guest Posts: n/a	Change the oil and filter at the same time - it is less hassle overall, and gives you peace of mind. As for the wrench, it isn't part of the standard Suzuki toolkit. On special order, is it? You can always use that other favourite - a large screwdriver. That comes in a 'one-size fits all', and is readily available. A.

21-07-06, 06:14 AM	#3
Tris Guest Posts: n/a	Clean the surface of the filter Grab & Turn! If that don't shift it whack some masking tape round it for extra purchase PS If you doing this o the side stand might be worth getting sombody to steady the bike when you give it some "Humpty"!

21-07-06, 06:41 AM	#4
Stig Guest Posts: n/a	I change my oil every 3500 miles. I only change the filter and spark plugs every other change. Although I do have a spare filter waiting to go if I feel the oil is sufficiently dirty to require a new oil filter. As has been said, to change the oil filter you can get by without any tools. I wrap round a damp towel and grip that, it gives enough grip to get it off. Failing that, stab it with a screwdriver and use the screwdriver as purchase for leverage. This way can be a bit messy if you don't watch out. Also, if you do decide to use the screwdriver route, make sure you do not damage the threads that the filter screws onto. Use the screwdriver close to the end of the filter and not at the base. If you get a long enough screwdriver, you can punch a hole in one side and out the other and use both sides as leverage.

21-07-06, 07:29 AM	#5
Mr Toad Guest Posts: n/a	I managed to remove my filter using a large adjustable spanner (a very large one) Always been a bit worried about sticking screwdrivers through the filter just in case I still couldn't get it off, and ended up in a bigger mess than when I started I used to have a 'tool' for removing oil filters - it was basically a stick with a bit of bike chain attached. You wrapped the chain around the filter, clipped it on the stick and hey presto the filter was undone . Cost £1.99 from my local Halfords (car spares dealer)

21-07-06, 12:54 PM	#9
John Burt Guest Posts: n/a	IMHO if a filter cost apx 40% of what you pay for decent oil, change it every time there is nothing like goof lube for ensuring your lump, stys fit.

21-07-06, 01:57 PM	#10
flynn209 Guest Posts: n/a	thanks for all the advice. if i dont need the right tool for the job thats just fine...chisel/screwdriver sounds good thanks again