Police TV prog last night - SV650.org

23-11-06, 10:45 AM

Not sure if this is the right section of the forum, but I'm sure a mod will be along shortly, thanks in advance mod's

I think it was on M&M but I've no idea what channel I was watching.

The point that I thought about the org was when one copper pulled an asian girl over. The reasoning he gave for this on camera was that she undertook a car in a bus lane. Fair play.

My problem was with his wording really. EVERYTHING he said put the message across that undertaking is illegal, which left me screaming obscenities at the TV & calling him names. The act of undertaking itself is not illegal (as everyone keeps saying) but is possible to be charged with the office of "Driving without due care."

Anyway, he eventually "let her off" & gave her a "lesser ticket" of driving in a bus lane. Erm? Perhaps driving in a bus lane is less of an offence than driving without due care, but he never said anything about this offence (on camera), she undertook in a bus lane, and that was all.

Oh yea, he'd also run out of tickets because he'd had a "busy day." Now I sympathise that anyone (even coppers) can make mistakes, but the girl got out of her car with a "I know why you stopped me, I undertook that car, I'm sorry" attitude & had her kids in the car etc. If I were in that situation, after sitting her in the police car to hand out the ticket and realising that I'd run out of tickets, I'd of called it her lucky day & chalked it down to experience. What did this muppet do? He made her wait for another copper to arrive at the scene & give him a new book of tickets. I mean come on! He definately came across as a certain type of "Thanker" for that.

Don't get me wrong, the program in general left me with sympathy for the amount of crap that traffic officers have to deal with day to day, and a certain understanding about the way they work, but it also showed some bad sides to the force.

Anyway, just thought I'd rant. The show was about Cheshire police force, and the Thanker was driving a V70. Just FYI

23-11-06, 10:54 AM

Most people think it is illegal, but then, lots of people think filtering is illegal.

23-11-06, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carsick

Most people think it is illegal, but then, lots of people think filtering is illegal.

But for a copper himself to be 'threatening' to give a ticket for undertaking & not bothering to explain... sounds odd to say the least.

23-11-06, 11:05 AM

On the filtering thing, i did it in my car the other, is this illegal?

Situation: Tailback of cars waiting to turn left, I wanted a right turn just up the road, saw the road was clear, so sneaked up the middle. My lane was quite wide so I didn't completely cross the central lines, although my drivers side was over. After my cheeky maneuver I thought it through more deeply, although very impatient was it actually legal?

I filter regularly on my bike, is it really any different in my car ?

23-11-06, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomcat

On the filtering thing, i did it in my car the other, is this illegal?

Situation: Tailback of cars waiting to turn left, I wanted a right turn just up the road, saw the road was clear, so sneaked up the middle. My lane was quite wide so I didn't completely cross the central lines, although my drivers side was over. After my cheeky maneuver I thought it through more deeply, although very impatient was it actually legal?

I filter regularly on my bike, is it really any different in my car ?

In that situation, I would say that so long as there are no solid white lines, which obviously mean you're not allowed to cross or straddle, you were overtaking a line of stationary traffic. Where's the harm in that?

Of course, if the central lines were solid, then yes, it was illegal.

SoulKiss · 23-11-06, 11:11 AM

I would say while not illegal - its still an over-taking maneouver after all - its very ill advised.

In the event of oncoming traffic, at least on the bike you can squeeze in out of the way/between other cars if needs be,

Filtering in cars is bad mkay (listening Joe?)

23-11-06, 11:11 AM

No solid lines !

23-11-06, 11:15 AM

I knew it was cheeky, but its illegal that counts! Anyway soulkiss I want your 'get out of death squad visit free card' as I have voted for you.... so I should be ok with that maneuver .... hur!

SoulKiss · 23-11-06, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomcat

I knew it was cheeky, but its illegal that counts! Anyway soulkiss I want your 'get out of death squad visit free card' as I have voted for you.... so I should be ok with that maneuver .... hur!

As long as you didnt cause anyone to get hurt it would be a civil offence, so just a fine/placed in the stocks in the town square for a day or so.

Sorry if I didnt make myself clear on the 'get out of death squad visit free card' issue, the card just means that when I send the Death Squad to your door cos I am bored that you can turn them away - they do however take the card.....

The TRUE BEST way of avoiding the Death Squad is to stop me from getting bored.

23-11-06, 11:35 AM

I was overtaking a line of stationary cars waiting at road works last night, cop car in the queue blipped his siren and flashed his blues as i went past.
The cop shop is only 400yds further on so once through the lights i pulled in there and waited on him.
When he parked and got out of car and looked a bit shocked to see me.

I very politely asked if his blues and siren had been for me, he said "yes",
"why " i asked
"i didn't think you'd seen me"

I had, but was there a reason that i should have been paying more attention to you than the other vehicles in the queue?"
"well if you'd seen me you wouldn't have filtered like that would you?"

"yes i would and did, but why would you think i wouldnt?"
"cause its dangerous and illeagal"

WTF???
I then very calmly and politely explained that it was not illeagal and sited the rules in the highway code covering the manauvre and explaining how i'd done as much as possible to minimise any risk to myself or other road users. Also gave him the name of the bike officer who does the bikesafe courses and trains the new police riders if he required any further clarification on the subject.
"Oh!, i didnt realise that,sorry if i caused you any bother, thanks for clearing that up"

and we parted on excellent terms

Only posted this as it shows anyone can make a mistake but he was more than willing to listen and was very friendly about it.

23-11-06, 10:45 AM	#1
Baph Guest Posts: n/a	Police TV prog last night Not sure if this is the right section of the forum, but I'm sure a mod will be along shortly, thanks in advance mod's I think it was on M&M but I've no idea what channel I was watching. The point that I thought about the org was when one copper pulled an asian girl over. The reasoning he gave for this on camera was that she undertook a car in a bus lane. Fair play. My problem was with his wording really. EVERYTHING he said put the message across that undertaking is illegal, which left me screaming obscenities at the TV & calling him names. The act of undertaking itself is not illegal (as everyone keeps saying) but is possible to be charged with the office of "Driving without due care." Anyway, he eventually "let her off" & gave her a "lesser ticket" of driving in a bus lane. Erm? Perhaps driving in a bus lane is less of an offence than driving without due care, but he never said anything about this offence (on camera), she undertook in a bus lane, and that was all. Oh yea, he'd also run out of tickets because he'd had a "busy day." Now I sympathise that anyone (even coppers) can make mistakes, but the girl got out of her car with a "I know why you stopped me, I undertook that car, I'm sorry" attitude & had her kids in the car etc. If I were in that situation, after sitting her in the police car to hand out the ticket and realising that I'd run out of tickets, I'd of called it her lucky day & chalked it down to experience. What did this muppet do? He made her wait for another copper to arrive at the scene & give him a new book of tickets. I mean come on! He definately came across as a certain type of "Thanker" for that. Don't get me wrong, the program in general left me with sympathy for the amount of crap that traffic officers have to deal with day to day, and a certain understanding about the way they work, but it also showed some bad sides to the force. Anyway, just thought I'd rant. The show was about Cheshire police force, and the Thanker was driving a V70. Just FYI

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23-11-06, 10:54 AM	#2
Carsick Guest Posts: n/a	Most people think it is illegal, but then, lots of people think filtering is illegal.

23-11-06, 11:05 AM	#4
Tomcat Guest Posts: n/a	On the filtering thing, i did it in my car the other, is this illegal? Situation: Tailback of cars waiting to turn left, I wanted a right turn just up the road, saw the road was clear, so sneaked up the middle. My lane was quite wide so I didn't completely cross the central lines, although my drivers side was over. After my cheeky maneuver I thought it through more deeply, although very impatient was it actually legal? I filter regularly on my bike, is it really any different in my car ?

23-11-06, 11:11 AM	#6
SoulKiss Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sunny Croydonia Posts: 6,124	I would say while not illegal - its still an over-taking maneouver after all - its very ill advised. In the event of oncoming traffic, at least on the bike you can squeeze in out of the way/between other cars if needs be, Filtering in cars is bad mkay (listening Joe?)

23-11-06, 11:15 AM	#8
Tomcat Guest Posts: n/a	I knew it was cheeky, but its illegal that counts! Anyway soulkiss I want your 'get out of death squad visit free card' as I have voted for you.... so I should be ok with that maneuver .... hur!

23-11-06, 11:35 AM	#10
Kilted Ginger Guest Posts: n/a	I was overtaking a line of stationary cars waiting at road works last night, cop car in the queue blipped his siren and flashed his blues as i went past. The cop shop is only 400yds further on so once through the lights i pulled in there and waited on him. When he parked and got out of car and looked a bit shocked to see me. I very politely asked if his blues and siren had been for me, he said "yes", "why " i asked "i didn't think you'd seen me" I had, but was there a reason that i should have been paying more attention to you than the other vehicles in the queue?" "well if you'd seen me you wouldn't have filtered like that would you?" "yes i would and did, but why would you think i wouldnt?" "cause its dangerous and illeagal" WTF??? I then very calmly and politely explained that it was not illeagal and sited the rules in the highway code covering the manauvre and explaining how i'd done as much as possible to minimise any risk to myself or other road users. Also gave him the name of the bike officer who does the bikesafe courses and trains the new police riders if he required any further clarification on the subject. "Oh!, i didnt realise that,sorry if i caused you any bother, thanks for clearing that up" and we parted on excellent terms Only posted this as it shows anyone can make a mistake but he was more than willing to listen and was very friendly about it.