Michael Cohen = IDIOT!

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http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16078998

What a prize tool.

I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. I am hoping very much that this shark will not be destroyed now. Michael Cohen asked before he ignored advice and went into the water that if he got attacked...he was blamed and not the shark. Probably thought he was being considerate in saying that, but tell that to everyone else.

There were two other sharks in the water and so his blatant disregard for the safety of himself and others meant that he risked the lives of those rescuing him.

I don't care a jot that he has lost his legs. I am just glad no one else was hurt.

So...would you support people like him being made to face some form of justice? I would. I am vehemently opposed to people willingly doing things that will risk the lives of others and think they deserve more than a slap on the wrist!

Your thoughts...

I had a bet with mike about who could loose 2stone quickest... I guess he just won.

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Originally Posted by Owenski

I had a bet with mike about who could loose 2stone quickest... I guess he just won.

[rictus01]

so was it illegal to enter the water or not ?

if it was then he's broken a law so already is subject to some legal ramification is he not? if not then it comes down to personal risk , I've dived with sharks before as well as free rock climbing, parachuted, abseiled and a whole host of other things which are considered by many as "dangerous" not to mention riding a motorbike, if no law was broken he made his own judgement call, perhaps not what I'd do, but it's his life and his choice, we all have different levels of exceptable risk based on our own experience, as a principle I think it presumptive to apply our own to others, saying that we all chose to save money with the "care in the community" thing so the price will be paid by those less equipped to made rational choices.

Cheers Mark.

Originally Posted by rictus01

if no law was broken he made his own judgement call, perhaps not what I'd do, but it's his life and his choice, we all have different levels of exceptable risk based on our own experience, as a principle I think it presumptive to apply our own to others, saying that we all chose to save money with the "care in the community" thing so the price will be paid by those less equipped to made rational choices.

Cheers Mark.

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Originally Posted by rictus01

so was it illegal to enter the water or not ?

if it was then he's broken a law so already is subject to some legal ramification is he not? if not then it comes down to personal risk , I've dived with sharks before as well as free rock climbing, parachuted, abseiled and a whole host of other things which are considered by many as "dangerous" not to mention riding a motorbike, if no law was broken he made his own judgement call, perhaps not what I'd do, but it's his life and his choice, we all have different levels of exceptable risk based on our own experience, as a principle I think it presumptive to apply our own to others, saying that we all chose to save money with the "care in the community" thing so the price will be paid by those less equipped to made rational choices.

Cheers Mark.

I don't know if it is illegal or not to enter the waters of a closed beach but I will say this...legal or illegal, I think it is inherently wrong to willingly risk the lives of others.

We all apply our own principals to others...that is how the laws were written.

So maybe the question should be...should it be illegal to enter the water when the flags are flying?

[rictus01]

other side of that coin it is what the rescue services choose as their job , what I believe you're talking about is the concept of "reckless endangerment", you'll always get those willing to take risks, be it finacial, physical or any other way, the laws are the safeguards as society we put in place to limit that, if it's not illegal, then the right to do it I'd support, I might not agreed but on principle I don't want others telling me how to live my own life any more than they already do.

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I am in agreement with you there Mark...I don't want to be told what I can and can't do either and I absolutely agree we should be responsible for our own actions.

I just feel very uneasy with people doing things like this and not having a care in the world for the consequences their actions can have on others.

I also agree that yes, the rescue services choose that job. However...if you lost a partner who perished while saving someone like Michael cohen, I bet you'd feel a bit differently than if you lost a partner due to them assisting in the rescue of a genuine accident where there was no blatant disregard.

I don't there can ever be a real right and wrong in this...but it ineterests me, so do your opinions

[rictus01]

Oh it's all a "line in the sand" I mean take your example, what if, it was a boat on the rocks as the engine had died,the crews life is in real danger and a member of the rescue services puts themselves at risk to recover them (bear in mind I was a paramedic for 12 years and on occasion that risk is un avoidably part of the job), and were to die.....

later it was found the owner of the boat saved some money as he though he could service the engine himself to save a few bob, we the relatives be up in arms about that? or if it was found the manual the owner used had a misprint in it which was the cause ? where is the line drawn.

Right got to go and "recklessly endanger" some road users with a superduke........

Cheers Mark.

Originally Posted by Owenski

I had a bet with mike about who could loose 2stone quickest... I guess he just won.

Bet he is relieved, could of cost him an arm and a leg.