Mini Twin Race Bike Pace

Hi,

This is aimed at the minitwin racers on here and might be a tough one to answer but I'm going to give it a go anyway!

I am currently riding an absolutely standard SV650s '99. The only mod is braided hoses everything else is as it was from the factory. I know you are not allowed engine tuning etc but surely uprated suspension, air filter, full system, track brake pads rear sets etc, etc make the bike a fair bit quicker per lap.

So, the question is, if the same rider was to ride my bike round cadwell park and then a well sorted SV race bike, how many seconds a lap quicker would the race bike be?

The reason for the question is that I'm very new to bikes, trackdays etc and I'm already keen to have a bash at the racing thing but don't want to embarrass myself, I'm hoping to give it two summers of trackdays then get involved.

Cheers!

[Red Herring]

The single most effective improvement you can make will be learning to ride the bike, so just get on with that. You ought to make some basic simple mods before going on track, ie: half decent tyres, quality pads, and give the bike, especially the suspension linkages etc, a good service, but get a couple of trackdays under your belt and then start to work on the bike issues that you are finding then, most likely to be suspension based.

Buying/riding a fast bike won't make you fast. I've got a pretty trick GSXR 1000 and run respectfully in the fast group most days, but you would not believe how slow I looked in comparison to the BSB Supersport lads that were buzzing us on a trackday at Silverstone yesterday! It was humbling......

Cheers for the comments. Totally agree! The reason I wanted to know was to get an idea how far off the pace I would be on a Minitwin grid. It's difficult to gauge because my bike is probably not as quick as a race prepped one.

I was at Cadwell last night with my GoPro and was doing 1:57's and it feels like it would go miles faster just by raising the rear sets as my pegs spend half the lap on the ground. I am far more concerned with learning to ride properly than pimping out my bike at the moment and the less I spend on the bike the more I can spend on riding it! One crucial edit though is that I'm riding on Dunlop Qualifiers which are a bit stickier than standard which must be helping a fair bit!

Does anyone know how much quicker a race bike would be per lap? I'm probably down almost 10bhp for starters.

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by Red Herring

The single most effective improvement you can make will be learning to ride the bike, so just get on with that. You ought to make some basic simple mods before going on track, ie: half decent tyres, quality pads, and give the bike, especially the suspension linkages etc, a good service, but get a couple of trackdays under your belt and then start to work on the bike issues that you are finding then, most likely to be suspension based.

Buying/riding a fast bike won't make you fast. I've got a pretty trick GSXR 1000 and run respectfully in the fast group most days, but you would not believe how slow I looked in comparison to the BSB Supersport lads that were buzzing us on a trackday at Silverstone yesterday! It was humbling......

This

But if your talking times for Cadwell here's the results for BEMSEE at the weekend http://www.bemsee.net/info-centre/do...t-2011-results

At 1:57 you'd be at the back, but pace comes with practice and set-up

Could be worse then, it was my second track day and I past my test in February so I'm doing ok.

The question I'm trying to get an answer to however is how much quicker the race bikes are to the standard machines once they are set-up. For example if I'm lapping at 1:57secs on my bike would I be 1 second quicker on a race bike 15 seconds quicker?? Surely a minitwin racer would know the answer to this.

[andrewsmith]

its purely down to skill and abilities, some of the guys at the front a semi-pros.

The front runners bikes are running at least 4k of tasty bits on top of the cost of a bike full ohlins, arka/ leo/ m4 race systems etc.., leave this thread a few days and you should get a response from a couple of the guy's.

[Red Herring]

They won't be making that much more power though...Minitwins are limited to a fairly easily attainable 72bhp, the money goes on the suspension and making the bike lighter....and tyres!

Sounds like you have already identified your next step - Rearsets. Just go from there, good luck.

Hello Nomski,
just a bit of info regarding your race prep etc...

I raced my first ever season in Minitwins with the North East club in 2010-haven't been out this year because of serious road rash in sidecar crash!!

My race prep of my 2000 carby was....are you ready??....a can!!

For my first 2 meetings I was even on road tyres-that is the truth!!

So you're desperate to know how I got on-plain last-and lapped!!

However, by race meeting 3 I got some race scrubs-Supercorsas, and by that time I was getting to know my bike and what actually goes on at a race meeting. Hey presto I took 4 seconds off my East Fortune lap time and catapulted to mid pack!!

So, my advice would be-dont bother with too much trick stuff-you wont appreciate it later when you get better. Whack some decent tyres on the old girl and just get out there and race-most people are last and lapped to begin with, it's all about getting your confidence levels up!

So finally, you too could get 'Best Newcommer Award' at your club on a bike whose only mod is decent tyres-well I managed it, so there's hope for everyone!!

Regards

TC 252

Tony C / TC252 are you twins???? lol

Hello matey!!

We certainley are!!

Mini Twins!!

How's it goin?