Slipping out of Gear....nudists huh! Inc wheelie pic - SV650.org

26-07-06, 11:40 AM

Doh

Sid Squid · 26-07-06, 11:56 AM

Yes, technique - seriously.

You are undoubtedly aware of how quickly you need to change gear in order to not let the front drop, well unless you make sure it's in right it'll slip back in a moment, get the wheelie taller and give yourself time to make a - slightly - more relaxed change.

Habitually allowing the gear to slip out will damage the engagement dogs on the gearbox internals, this is - obviously - expensive and usually requires new bits, as the present parts will probably not be suitable for remedial work, ie undercutting. The more it slips out the worse it will be for slipping out, as the dogs get rounded it's harder and harder to engage a gear right - wear breeds wear.

As with all gear/gearchange problems clutch adjustment is critical, I doubt it's the problem is this circumstance but should obviously be checked, the angle of the gearbox is not a factor.

26-07-06, 12:07 PM

Top tip Sid, i think you're right my technique may be a bit rusty, havent done 'em for a while.

Cheers
Pete

26-07-06, 12:14 PM

just lift your wheelies higher and you wont need to change gear? i dont see why people would want to change gear with the front wheel in the air its dangerous IMO

26-07-06, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jebiah

just lift your wheelies higher and you wont need to change gear? i dont see why people would want to change gear with the front wheel in the air its dangerous IMO

I see your point but i end up on the limiter pretty quick and i find it a pain feathering it in first, besides any higher and i wont be able to see where i'm going..... or fall off the back

northwind · 26-07-06, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jebiah

just lift your wheelies higher and you wont need to change gear? i dont see why people would want to change gear with the front wheel in the air its dangerous IMO

Yeah, but so are wheelies.

Still, shifting up while wheelying seems like a fine way to lengthen the wheelie to the point that you get oil starvation and scrape shells...

21QUEST · 26-07-06, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vtwinlover

I see your point but i end up on the limiter pretty quick and i find it a pain feathering it in first, besides any higher and i wont be able to see where i'm going..... or fall off the back

...so why don't you pick it up in second ?. You can pick the SV up in second from about 15MPH.

Cheers
Ben

26-07-06, 08:25 PM

.fg

northwind · 26-07-06, 08:33 PM

Not so much the gearbox, more the way SVs like to spin big end shells and wreck the crank when wheelied for long periods

Newer models, less bad than old oness apparently.

27-07-06, 08:13 AM

What is your technique?

I find that if you can pick the bike up in first, put your foot UNDER the gear lever while applying upward pressure. When your ready to change, simply flick the throttle off (a bit) then back on. The pressure you apply under the gear lever will (or should) put the bike nicely into second gear.

By doing this your already in a position (hopefully not involving tarmac) to get into third, fourth,...

26-07-06, 11:40 AM	#1
Vtwinlover Guest Posts: n/a	Slipping out of Gear....nudists huh! Inc wheelie pic Doh

26-07-06, 11:56 AM	#2
Sid Squid No, I don't lend tools. Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Skunk Works, Nth London Posts: 8,680	Yes, technique - seriously. You are undoubtedly aware of how quickly you need to change gear in order to not let the front drop, well unless you make sure it's in right it'll slip back in a moment, get the wheelie taller and give yourself time to make a - slightly - more relaxed change. Habitually allowing the gear to slip out will damage the engagement dogs on the gearbox internals, this is - obviously - expensive and usually requires new bits, as the present parts will probably not be suitable for remedial work, ie undercutting. The more it slips out the worse it will be for slipping out, as the dogs get rounded it's harder and harder to engage a gear right - wear breeds wear. As with all gear/gearchange problems clutch adjustment is critical, I doubt it's the problem is this circumstance but should obviously be checked, the angle of the gearbox is not a factor. __________________ If an SV650 has a flat tyre in the forest and no-one is there to blow it up, how long will it be 'til someone posts that the reg/rec is duff and the world will end unless a CBR unit is fitted? A little bit of knowledge = a dangerous thing. "a deathless anthem of nuclear-strength romantic angst"

26-07-06, 08:33 PM	#9
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	Not so much the gearbox, more the way SVs like to spin big end shells and wreck the crank when wheelied for long periods Newer models, less bad than old oness apparently. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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26-07-06, 12:07 PM	#3
Vtwinlover Guest Posts: n/a	Top tip Sid, i think you're right my technique may be a bit rusty, havent done 'em for a while. Cheers Pete

26-07-06, 12:14 PM	#4
Jebiah Guest Posts: n/a	just lift your wheelies higher and you wont need to change gear? i dont see why people would want to change gear with the front wheel in the air its dangerous IMO

27-07-06, 08:13 AM	#10
Ter Guest Posts: n/a	What is your technique? I find that if you can pick the bike up in first, put your foot UNDER the gear lever while applying upward pressure. When your ready to change, simply flick the throttle off (a bit) then back on. The pressure you apply under the gear lever will (or should) put the bike nicely into second gear. By doing this your already in a position (hopefully not involving tarmac) to get into third, fourth,...