Read this today and thought of you lot.

HI all, (Big Wave)

Haven't been on for a while, I miss the SV Hope yers are all doin' well.

Interesting about the "Dark Visor" education.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/6218780.stm

What de ye think?

See ye

Mass

So will you be checking your PMs now you are back?

Originally Posted by Mike1234

So will you be checking your PMs now you are back?

Yep - sorry mate, haven't been on here for ages..

And yes, I've just replied to your PM

The rider was wearing a dark visor AND sunglasses?

[Spiderman]

Not sure what point the coroner is trying to make here tbh.

The dark visor thing is a bit 50/50 imho. I wear a dark visor cos i genuinely have eyes that are sensitive to too much sun and glare. But i do see some bikers who ride with a dark visor at night by choice. Why, i guess cos it makes em look well 'ard or something equaly pointless.

Maybe its about time there wa legislation about dark visors that are leagl to use on the road.

How bright a day was it i wonder for the dead guy to have a dark visor and sunglasses on? Maybe it was fully justified and the safest thing he could have chosen to do. Who knows.

Wait a minute, this guy is a coroner, his expertise in what causes accidents comes from where?

[TSM]

Originally Posted by Kate

The rider was wearing a dark visor AND sunglasses?

Only time i have done that or tinted visor with extra fog city dark insert, was when i went to portugal last year, its blistering heat and even with both tints there was lots of light comming through. Even though i use the same visor in the UK, i never have it down with sun glasses on, its one or the other, but rarely do i have the visor down, i prefer sun glasses and just use the dark visor to block the high sun glare.

As for dark visors at night, thats just silly.

Disgusting comments. Sunglasses and tinted visor is a daft thing to do, love how he assumes it probably contributed to the accident.

65mph in a 60 limit !
you may as well put your head in the gas oven if you're going ride at crazy speeds like that !

I have a tinted visor and my car has tinted windows! MY GOD I must have a death wish !!!

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Maybe its about time there wa legislation about dark visors that are leagl to use on the road.

How bright a day was it i wonder for the dead guy to have a dark visor and sunglasses on? Maybe it was fully justified and the safest thing he could have chosen to do. Who knows.

We do have legal dark visors: I wear one in summer and as well as the few occassions I've actually needed it (I do live in Wales after all ), it has been plenty dark enough. So much so, that there have been times I've wanted to use one (due to it being bright) but it was too dark for that particular day, so I didn't use it. I completely understand why people choose to wear a darkened visor, but I do strongly question what proportion of riders who write off legal tint visors as ineffective have actually tried using one.

The hearing heard that Mr Bentley had been wearing a tinted visor on the day of his death which allowed in only 16% of the available light.
The hearing was also told that Mr Bentley was wearing sunglasses under his helmet too.

So, assuming they were general purpose (as the vast majority of sunglasses are and indeed, ones made for driving are), as opposed to purely cosmetic, these sunglasses blocked at least 60% of the visible light. So, assuming both the glasses and visor were less than 100% clean and unscratched, we're looking at 6% of light coming through in total, maximum. That's the nearer sort of figures allowed by special purpose sunglasses, rather than normal ones. You're not supposed to drive in special purpose sunglasses (although I don't know if it's illegal to do so). I am intrigued as to why the coroner assumed it was the speed itself, rather than poor choice of speed for the visibility that caused the crash though...