The death of the sunday blast!

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/MCNroadpricing/

I think this is an important petition, please sign up.

Road charging for bikes is not only irrelevant as they ease congestion not add to it, but would remove the FREEDOM to ride your bike for pleasure.

The scheme would propose fitting a satellite tracking device to your bike and charging you for the distance you ride (They could also be used to track your speed ) The idea is to cut out non-essential journeys.

Thousands of bikes across the UK sit in garages from one Sunday to the next. The only reason they exist is for non-essential journeys.

Sunday blasts, touring holidays, sv650.org rideouts, all would cease if we were being charged the same rates for our 150 mile rideout as we were for our 15 mile commute.

Put simply road pricing would causes masses of bikes to disappear from UK roads.

Don't allow the government to remove your FREEDOM to ride your bike. If that sh!t gets in, I'm emigrating! I like my bike much more than I like this place!

Oh dear, I smell 'bandwagon'. Like 1.7m others, I signed *The* road pricing petition. Why do we need another, *especially* when it's need started by MCN or one of their hacks? Last week, somewhere else, there was a petition started by a sub-ed of one EMAP bike publication, distinctly at odds with another EMAP bike mag. Go figure! Individual EMAP mag self-interest, seems to be the motivator, rather than anything to do with bikes and riding. MCN's a sh*t mag anyway, not worth the cover price.

lol whos gonna be fitting these proposed sat tracking systems and who will enforce them.

cant see it ever happening but still signed it.

The end of saturday/sunday riding? Yea ok then.

Personally, if (and this is a big if) these GPS tracking devices are implimented, there is the obvious solution.

Disconnect the power from the damn thing. Remove it from the bike, and keep it powered up whilst you're out if you have to (GPS location shows you home all day - that has implications of it's own, positive & negative).

Worst case scenario, they'll throw in some RF technology too. That would mean that they could point a scanner at the bike/car/bus & find out it's reg, VIN # etc etc. Remove the device, RF chips gone.

Even that's hardly difficult to duplicate, and do you think they'll pay for the RF technology too? lmao.

Don't want to go to all that effort? GPS signals can be blocked locally (to a radius as small as 1cm, right through 5m) with as little as 4.6v. The RF chips would still work as advertised on the box.

Bring on the trackers. Insurance premiums go down, and the trackers don't always have to be used.

Of course, when this becomes legislation, I didn't post it

Sat tracking devices are VERY EASY to scramble. I wouldn't worry about it cos if it ever did become law then it would be a fortnight before someone figured out how to hack them and it would be on t'internet before you could say Tony Bliar

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Sat tracking devices are VERY EASY to scramble. I wouldn't worry about it cos if it ever did become law then it would be a fortnight before someone figured out how to hack them and it would be on t'internet before you could say Tony Bliar

I have a few problems with that:

1. Scramble? Why? Just stop it transmitting back to the satellite. All it takes is 4.6v, and this works on ALL available GPS solutions (including military)
2. A fortnight? You're having a laugh right? I've done it before, and on GPS equipment that you can't buy on the highstreet too. This taxation plan won't use anything near as advanced.

I've been doing things like that for a long time. If it becomes law that I have to have an approved mechanic fit a GPS tracker to my bike, fine, I'll do it. I don't gurantee that it'll be working by the time I ride away from the garage though.

Originally Posted by Baph

Disconnect the power from the damn thing. Remove it from the bike, and keep it powered up whilst you're out if you have to (GPS location shows you home all day - that has implications of it's own, positive & negative).

Don't forget to leave your mobile at home too.

They know where you are...

The govt wont even end the analog TV reception until 2012 because they hope everyone will buy their own digi box rather than them having to pay for it. What hope in hell have they of issuing about 30million vehicles with them? Would cost Billions.
By that time, Labour wont be in power

Originally Posted by Tiger 55

Don't forget to leave your mobile at home too.

They know where you are...

I dunno about you, but I can't talk on the phone whilst I'm out enjoying a ride.

What's the point of having a phone with you?

Originally Posted by Baph

I have a few problems with that:

1. Scramble? Why? Just stop it transmitting back to the satellite. All it takes is 4.6v, and this works on ALL available GPS solutions (including military)
2. A fortnight? You're having a laugh right? I've done it before, and on GPS equipment that you can't buy on the highstreet too. This taxation plan won't use anything near as advanced.

I've been doing things like that for a long time. If it becomes law that I have to have an approved mechanic fit a GPS tracker to my bike, fine, I'll do it. I don't gurantee that it'll be working by the time I ride away from the garage though.

1. Scramble - wrong choice of words. I meant fake or spoof a transmission to which ever receiver they use to collect your data. Any tracking device they fit will relay your data to a cenbtral db which stores your "account".

2. What d'you mean I'm having a laugh??? I'm an oracle db architect so I think I know my onions. Any software system the govt introduces will be hacker tested. It usually takes about 2-3 weeks before the hackers find a way of doctoring the client tracker - ie the tracker on your bike or car. They usually build a wee machine like the ones they use to create fake credit cards. It will be something like that which will upload software to the tracker on your bike.

ANYWAY....It's not going to happen for a long time IF at all.