proof of restriction

hi,


need some help on a question that has not been answerd before on restricted licences/bikes.

I lad i work with is going to get an SV on a restricted licence, not a problem, however the bike is going to come with a full power ECU, and 33 BHP ECU.( private sell)

the problem is there is no cert of restriction with the other ECU, and i know it is a diff one as one has 061 (33) on it and the other has 060 (full) on it.

so if for whatever reason he gets pulled, and given a producer, do they ask for the proof of restriction on the bike, or is there any way the police can tell by running a PNC that the bike is restricted or not? ( i personaly have said i dont think they can tell unless they take out the ecu, unlikley at the side of the road)

I know the PNC gives tax, MOT and ins details (no issue he will have all them) and it will also (i think) tell the police he has an A licence but does it destinguish between A full and restricted? as on licences a bike shows up as A.

any help on these answers appreciated.

The proof of restriction I have is an A5 piece of paper with Suzuki logos and a dealer stamp stating that it has been restricted.

did you get the bike new from a dealer at 33 BHP though?

could he ride his bike to a dealer , show them that the 33BHP ecu is in and then get a certificate from them?

[Biker Biggles]

I don't think the restriction is logged on the dvlc or pnc,but I do believe the onus is on the rider to provide proof of restriction if required.Normally that would be a certificate from the shop that fitted the kit.I understand they operate a cartel where you have to pay them a large amount of money ?£150 for that bit of paper.
I don't know where you stand if you have an official Suzuki ECU with 33 on it fitted to the bike.That would be proof for me,but would plod accept it?

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

I don't think the restriction is logged on the dvlc or pnc,but I do believe the onus is on the rider to provide proof of restriction if required.Normally that would be a certificate from the shop that fitted the kit.I understand they operate a cartel where you have to pay them a large amount of money ?£150 for that bit of paper.
I don't know where you stand if you have an official Suzuki ECU with 33 on it fitted to the bike.That would be proof for me,but would plod accept it?

thats what i thought, i am sure that some one on this forum with knowledge of the PNC will be able to give a definitive?

Yes the riders licence is logged but not the bikes restriction, like you say the onus is on the owner to prove it. hence asking if a dealer would give you one.

surley is someone was to turn up to a dealer with the ecu fitted and show them it, they would not charge that much? i could understand an admin fee to cover the cost of the certificate of a few quid maybe.

The proof is on the ECU chip I guess; if he gets pulled (which he probably wont) then the police can check that.

Maybe a quick dyno run which might be cheaper than the certificate might be alright? with the restriction chip in and with the normal one in?

Matt

alpinestarhero, good idea the dyno run, proves the power, spose the only other way is to ask a dealer for a cert after showing them, they can only so no!

I've never heard of them checking, I've written off two restricted bikes and there was never any question or testing into whether I'd derestricted them. The second write off was on a restricted SV and the crash caused a multiple pile up and a fatality. Police had no interest in the restriction.

Id cross that bridge when he came to it tbh....
If you think about it.....

A rolling road operator can make a print off saying your bike is any hp he wants to...we had one of the lads here convinced his brand new k1200s was restricted last year

So,...theres no real legally watertight to prove any restriction your bike has installed is in fact accurately restricting it.

If you think further about it, the only time he would ever have to prove his bike is restricted, to comply with his license, is in times of an accident/claim/fatality.
His bike would most likely not be in dyno-runable shape. If the police took his bike in that scenario(as they tend to do over here for examination if injury is involved) all they have to do is contact suzuki, give them the part number on the ecu... mt061 etc... and suzuki will tell then thats the 33bhp version.

What they cant tell them unless they bang it into another sv and rolling road it is if it has been teka mapped to 70bhp......

So...i wouldnt worry too much about it unless the ins company want prove of restriction before giving him a policy. In which case a suzuki main dealer should give him a "certificate" without too much hassle.

Or, suzuki might insist you buy a ecu from them before they'll give you a cert. .

So..cross that bridge when you find it

I just bought a new '07 with a 33bhp restrictor, the guy in the shop explained to me that there is a database with all the 33restricted bike and it notes the chassis number, the dealer has 3 certificates when they fit the restrictor, one the dealer keeps as their proof so theyre not liable, one they gave to me, and one they sent of to "the authorities".
to be honest this may have been a load of rubbish, but it makes sense that they would be strict about it.

Also heard a story (this one is validated) of a guy who overtook an unmarked police car, they pulled him & after confiscating his bike they dyno'd it. It was a 600 which he'd removed the 33 restrictor from. He got his license taken away for,
1,driving a vehicle he didnt have a licence for
2,invalid insurance
2,speeding
3, and summin silly like a bulb out, made me chuckle

so yeah, i'm not going to risk taking it out or anything silly (untill maybe I know allot more about it)

hope this helps