i cried last night

Originally Posted by neillfergie

Its a tragic story, and as is so often the case, so preventable with hindsight. Its worth remembering though that these sick individuals have been found guilty and are being granted anonymity so i guess they may have more children? . . a scary thought.

For those who think more stringent guidelines are in order though see if you can guess which famous person said this . . . .

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."

Anyone???

Hitler

Scary how true that is in our society. Like it has been said, we could sit here at our PC's complaining until the cows come home, but nothing will change because nothing is aimed in the right direction

Originally Posted by ArtyLady

But if they had made 60 visits (I think it was?) and the mother had been arrested twice how on earth could they miss what was going on?

yes this would go down as a mahoosive error....very strange....also the baby was taken to the doctors (by the childminder - the woman who kept informing sw's about the parents) 2 days before he died

they think when the child was taken to the docs he already had a broken spine, but the doctor didnt examine the child because the child was irritable...wtf?..im irritable now with a broken elbow and my mrs waiting on me hand and foot...how is a baby who is unable to communicate his pain properly gonna feel when its being picked up..put in a car seat? pram? etc....with a broken spine.....bloody irritable id say

there was a mass of errors in this case, i cant think about it too much...i can feel my blood boiling....on the whole docs and social services do a good job.

Originally Posted by Miss Alpinestarhero

Exactly. Too much pen pushing and fear of infringing peoples human rights..its stupid..! If people suspect abuse then they should act on it right away, not dither about. This reminds me of a similar case where a young girl died as a result of extreme abuse and neglect. I forget her name - it was a black girl...had quite a heavy presence in the news.

at least the poor child isn't suffering anymore

Maria

It was Veronica Climbie I think.

Social services! We here about their failure to act soon enough all the time.

I work with a guy who'se fighting a court case to get his son away from his alcoholic, drug dealing, abusive ex.

And the social services won't do a thing despite him supplying lots of evidence.

Either they are chronically overworked or the just don't give a s**t

Originally Posted by shonadoll

It was Veronica Climbie I think.

thats the one, there is a trust/charity in her name to attempt to stop this sort of thing

Originally Posted by Dappa D

on the whole docs and social services do a good job.

+1 that has to be remembered here. Always easy to tar everyone with the same brush.

Any social workers on here, please don't get offended (much) by comments made (unless they're really out of order in which case, stick as many harmful smileys up as possible, here are a few examples )

Originally Posted by madness

Social services! We here about their failure to act soon enough all the time.

I work with a guy who'se fighting a court case to get his son away from his alcoholic, drug dealing, abusive ex.

And the social services won't do a thing despite him supplying lots of evidence.

Either they are chronically overworked or the just don't give a s**t

personally i think they must care to go into that line of work in the first place...

when i was five socail services helped put me, my brother and my mum into a womens refuge, safe house, whatever u wanna call it, thats the only dealings ive had with them, and they done a good job, im pretty sure had they not have i would not have a mother right now. try not to tar them all with the same brush.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Poor little fella, very sad and shocking. I personally think the parents/guardians should be put through the same trauma, and maybe a little for the social services which failed the poor fella several times.

RIP little'n

+1

#waits for minimatt to turn up to tell us why we shouldn't spark blowtorch up#

You're both correct it was Hitler. The point though is a simple one, if we shake our heads in disgust nothing will ever change as we are becoming more and more apathetic with each passing year.

The government will trundle on unless we actually make it known that things need to change in our society. We are spiralling downwards into chaos in the UK and this is driving some people to move towards a more extreme viewpoint on how to deal with it.

After yesterday reminding us of the horrors of the first and second world wars (and other ones since) where millions died to secure our freedom it sad to see how some people decide to use their freedom, however, we must never forget that its impossible to legislate to stop abuse, it will come from education and opportunity.

Branding people as scumbags and marginalizing them will only make things worse in this country. We have leaned from similar cases in history.


Ps. im sorry if im derailing this thread slightly but its important that we direct our frustrations in the correct ways to make any difference.

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by shonadoll

It was Veronica Climbie I think.

Originally Posted by Dappa D

thats the one, there is a trust/charity in her name to attempt to stop this sort of thing

Victoria Climbie if that is who was meant. See how easily we forget?