Your views on immigration

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

It does amaze me how peoples opinions on immigration, tolerance, integration etc. change so dramatically after walking through Bradford.

Those that survive

My old boss was born in the UK. His parents weren't. His parents had come here, seeking asylum from Uganda in the 60s. They were penniless, they required significant state assistance and the state also educated and supported their children.

One of their kids, with the benefit of all this free education and support eventually started a very successful business. In which he kept many "Brits", myself included, gainfully employed. Had this country turned it's back on asylum seekers back in the 60s we'd have lost out on a good bit of business and a good deal of employment opportunities 40 years later. Look at the long term view, not just the short.

Does this negative view of immigration only apply to people "coming over here"? What about UK people emmigrating out? Many people on this very forum regularly state that they are looking to get out of the UK to emmigrate some place else.

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

My old boss was born in the UK. His parents weren't. His parents had come here, seeking asylum from Uganda in the 60s. They were penniless, they required significant state assistance and the state also educated and supported their children.

One of their kids, with the benefit of all this free education and support eventually started a very successful business. In which he kept many "Brits", myself included, gainfully employed. Had this country turned it's back on asylum seekers back in the 60s we'd have lost out on a good bit of business and a good deal of employment opportunities 40 years later. Look at the long term view, not just the short.

Does this negative view of immigration only apply to people "coming over here"? What about UK people emmigrating out? Many people on this very forum regularly state that they are looking to get out of the UK to emmigrate some place else.

Or indeed, why do the BNP supporting chavesque type think it's ok for them to sponge off the state.

Clearly it's not wise to have a policy in place that lets anyone come over for a free ride while contributing nothing, but there's a happy medium that needs to be reached.

I posted this in another thread today, but I think it sums things up quite nicely. http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index....1549&Itemid=59

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

Does this negative view of immigration only apply to people "coming over here"? What about UK people emmigrating out? Many people on this very forum regularly state that they are looking to get out of the UK to emmigrate some place else.

I could be wrong but it was my understanding (from having considered emigration to Canada some years ago) that in order to be accepted you have to have a sponsor to house you and a job to go to, as well as that you and your family members have to be in good health. I would therefore imagine that anyone from here emigrating to ie. Canada, Australia, New Zealand would not be claiming state benefits or free housing out there?

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by bluninja

However I do object to paying council tax for translating leaflets into 20 different languages and paying for interpreter services.

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This is the same view as my german gran. She came over here when she married my grandad after WW2. she said back then if you didn't speak the lingo, you didn't get a job...simple as that, and certainly wouldn;t get such things as council services, doctors etc translated for her....it was tough poop. She gets very very annoyed at all these people who can't speak a word, expect everyone to translate to their language for them....and possibly plead ignorance when its in their benefit. She does believe in ''when in Rome'' and I can completely understand her point of view. She really gets on the soap box when it comes to working and paying taxes. Shes worked every day of her working life and paid into society and fully integrated into our country as shoule be expected. Try arguing with an 81 yr old german...your going to lose.
I have worked alongside many many different nationalities over the years at 'willy wonkas'. The type of work attracts migrants. They range from Poles to Afghans to folk from Chad. On the whole these people are very hardworking and wonderful to work with, but along with that you get those that you have to virtually sign language with to get them to do anything...they don't last very long, and to be fair, I really don't have the time in my job to try and tell someone how to do a job if they can;t understand what I'm saying.
I don't have an arguement with a multi cultural society as long as they 'do as the romans do' when its within reason. However with the level of unemployment on the rise with the current climate, I really rhink that there should be a halt on the level of immigration for the minute to give those already here a chance....be it true brit or an immigrant here legally

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

It does amaze me how peoples opinions on immigration, tolerance, integration etc. change so dramatically after walking through Bradford.

[edit mode]Substitute Bradford for East Ham[/edit mode]

I could walk up Upton Lane for half an hour and not hear any English being spoken!

My views; Enough is enough, shut the border and don't let anymore in. And anyone who is here without the correct visa/papers etc, stick them on the next plane out of here.

It'll never happen though.

*Dons fire retardant suit in readiness for the flames*

this seems about right

"On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries."

Were's that from Hovis?

[yorkie_chris]

BNP manifesto?

Can't be. There's some big words in there!