Parliamentary influence - if the money's right.

there politicians there money grabbing scubags only ever looking out for number one who need to learn what its like for the poor who are getting taxed more and more over the years where the ones with money dont get a tax rise, these stories are boring it doesnt matter which party is in power they would all be doing it. and our economy only works through having a recession/economic down turn every 20 years or so, its just how things work, i dont know why people thing that its only labour that are bad, when in reality anyone we vote into power would be in the head lines now for the same reason labour are.

[QUOTE=the_lone_wolf;2219129]Also in the news...

Tony Blair attempted to hide the fact that he was paid an undisclosed amount by a Korean oil company that gained lucrative contracts in "post war" Iraq

Labour paid the "Unite" union £18m in tax payer's money last year and received £30m in donations from the same union, effectively laundering public funds into party funds

No... Seriously... I wish I was joking

Bunch of scum


edit: got me numbers wrong...[/QUOTE

Why do you think Unite is allowed to get away with what it is doing despite the PM protesting about f*** wits I mean who harm their own cash flow. Brown isn't elected, is usless and so on...

My parenst were on Hoilday last year and the Unite guy Tony ***** ( can't remember the name now) invited himself to their table in short the guy the is an idiot. They had no idea who he was, but he talked at them Then they just wanted to leave...yeah another idiot destroying whats left of country.

As i have pointed out before, that probem no one cares so look whats happenig...

Complain to your MP - you get ignored
Write to the paper - MI5 brand you a troublemaker
Go on a demo - and get beaten up by the police

I'm not surprised that our 5hort5 is disillusioned. We have created a system where the people who count (us) really don't count at all. Our system is self-serving, corrupt, and it stinks. I think we need to move to a US system, where we have a directly elected prime eminister, a fixed term Parliament of 4 years, and where Congressional committess have real power instead of the toothless wonders that our Select Committees have become.

[5hort5]

Originally Posted by Triv650

Shame really. The problem is too many people don't give a sh*t and the politicians then get away with daylight robbery. If only people gave it more attention...

Bet you live in Chudleigh

[Bri w]

5hort5' stance is totally understandable. I thought I'd seen most things but the expense scandel and this has sickened me to the core. I love my country, and expect it to have faults but our reputation in recent times makes us look like a banana republic - we're a joke!

Although the party leaders say the right things about a clean up they can't afford the political fallout of sorting the scandels and totally clearing out all the tainted MP's. As Ed says it's self serving.

The only message, IMO, that would serve as a wake up call is for everyone to vote out their current MP if he/she has been involved in any of the scandels. And bearing in mind the list of those who were found to be fiddling their expenses 'v' those (4) that are in court for it it would really cause a tsunami thro' Westminster, and perhaps remind the MP's just who they should be serving if all the fiddlers were given the boot. The people can be heard but only if they really want to be.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Stingo

Thought this sting thing might appear here.

Now, don't get me wrong - MP's are a bit rascally (I'm being polite here folks) at times - especially with regard to the recent expenses fiasco. There's alot of the 'old boy' network which ticks me off and other scams that some of them no doubt pull off or try to get away with.

HOWEVER...

Old Johnny (or Jane in this case) Hack doing what she's paid to do sets up a couple of MP's by lying to them and pretending to be someone else - I'm sorry but that's being just as bad as they are/can be. And yet everybody seems quite happy and comfortable with that. Ok - so the MP's were suckers and shouldn't have allowed themselves to get drawn in...but FFS, some twonk who remains nameless is allowed to get away with lying to Members of Parliament? All in the cause of 'the public interest? Not my interest it isn't...I wish they'd get off their bloody high horses, crawl back under the rock in the dark cave from which they were spat out and do something useful like putting up tents in Haiti or something.

RANT / AAAAAGGGHHHHHH...

Sorry...just venting my spleen...


Grrrr - so annoying...etc..

Awe come on Stingo - do you really think they would be able to come up with a figure of £3K or 5K a day if they hadn't been renting themselves out plenty of times before to the highest bidder?

It's like the Police in unmarked vehicles goading us into street races - OK it's very unfair when they turn round & book you for speeding but if you were taken in by them & succumb to speeding could you really say you never speed at other times? If you are someone how doesn't speed you wouldn't be drawn in by them.

Originally Posted by metalmonkey

Brown isn't elected, is usless and so on...

"we" as the general public voted brown in when we voted labour into power so yes brown was elected, he was always going to be PM after tony blair, maybe before but we down vote of a PM we vote for a party which we believe.

Originally Posted by ed

I'm not surprised that our 5hort5 is disillusioned. We have created a system where the people who count (us) really don't count at all. Our system is self-serving, corrupt, and it stinks.

this is politics and democracies dont work ideally and trusting people not to fiddle there expenses etc. is just stupid "everyone lies" (yes i watch too much house) but its true, find someone that doesnt lye? politicians lye so they can line there pockets as much as possible.

Originally Posted by ed

I think we need to move to a US system, where we have a directly elected prime eminister, a fixed term Parliament of 4 years, and where Congressional committess have real power instead of the toothless wonders that our Select Committees have become.

this works but reforming a goverment and the entire political system would cost money and take time its not a change that could happen overnight, it would be a good thing if not for the current economical times.

[Messie]

Originally Posted by Triv650

Shame really. The problem is too many people don't give a sh*t and the politicians then get away with daylight robbery. If only people gave it more attention...

Originally Posted by 5hort5

Yep - I really have lost interested and I wont be voting, I have no time for politics as nothing changes and they are only interested in lining their own pockets and being better than each other in an anti-Christ sort of way, personally I'd burn them all in a guy Fawkes style night and toast a marsh mellow on their slowly roasting corpse's.


I'm not sure does that convey my point?

If everybody who isn't going to vote because they're all a bunch of ........................................ (insert your particluar gripe here) got together to vote in/out who they wanted, then things would change. Policical apathy goes a long way to allowing the corrupt politicians to get away with it. And even though a spoilt ballot paper is a bit of a watse in my opinion, at least they're counted. Perhaps enough of them would make people sit up and take notice.




However one of the most shocking things about this thread is that SidSquid posted a link to THE GUARDIAN!!!

[Stingo]

Originally Posted by Stu

Awe come on Stingo - do you really think they would be able to come up with a figure of £3K or 5K a day if they hadn't been renting themselves out plenty of times before to the highest bidder?

It's like the Police in unmarked vehicles goading us into street races - OK it's very unfair when they turn round & book you for speeding but if you were taken in by them & succumb to speeding could you really say you never speed at other times? If you are someone how doesn't speed you wouldn't be drawn in by them.

Tis a good point well made, no mistake. However I don't thing I'm too comfortable with committing a wrong to expose a wrong either, particularly in this sort of situation...I'm not saying that the mp should get off scott free, it's just the way people end up doing things that grates...being dishonest to expose alleged dishonesty. I wouldn't be in tne queue to buy the journo a drink. Perhaps I trust people too much and need to get a grip with reality...

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Stingo

Tis a good point well made, no mistake. However I don't thing I'm too comfortable with committing a wrong to expose a wrong either, particularly in this sort of situation...I'm not saying that the mp should get off scott free, it's just the way people end up doing things that grates...being dishonest to expose alleged dishonesty. I wouldn't be in tne queue to buy the journo a drink. Perhaps I trust people too much and need to get a grip with reality...

I do laugh at them now turning round and claiming that they were exaggerating their ability to influence that they had used it the past - Great! they should be investigated for exaggerated claims on a job application now