Muhammted

[Balky001]

Originally Posted by hovis

she had the choice not to leave liverpool for sudan.

, that made me laugh. I guess anyone wondering on the street is fair game for a kicking as they chose to leave the house and we all know there are bad people in the world. Nice

I can't believe the majority of people in that country believe this is credible either, just a bunch of thick locals and a half-baked judge.

[Sid Squid]

There certainly is a case for saying "When in Rome" etc, but as Phillip says the sheer barbarity of such decisions and laws simply can't be explained away in such a simple way.
Particularly as there is a certain element of Islamic society in our country who have, so far anyway, at least stated their desire to reject British law and impose Sharia law, if that is acceptable here, (case you're wondering, it ain't), then need non Moslems in other countries feel bound by the local law? It's simply painfully arrogant that those persons who in our country who may feel this way are the ones who would likely support the decision to punish someone for calling a teddy Mohammed.
I particularly find this upsetting as we are in a time of tension twixt our two cultures, and would find it sensible at the very least for the Sudanese authorities to think a dab bigger and not inflame a situation for a transgression that they simply cannot be unaware will be considered trivial to our general way of thinking.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

at least stated their desire to reject British law and impose Sharia law,

I like the point of veiw that states; "if you don't like it, sod off."

that is absolutely ridiculous, considering half their children are called mohammad, true its not the peace be upon him spelling, but the bears name didn't have to be spellt the true way

i know multiple mohammads!

See we slag of britain, but if you exclude the extremes, we're a fairly tidy place

From The Prime Minister of Australia. No doubt some have read this, already, but here goes.
bit long but enjoy.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.



A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament.



"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.



Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.



Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."



"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia."



"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."



"This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."



"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"



"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!"



"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."



"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."



"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.



"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."



"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Hmmm we aint allowed to say a peep to the spouting extremists in the UK - THATS WRONG - Lashes for a child naming a teddy - THATS WRONG - TAX taken from me at 40% when I have never earned the amount for it due - THATS WRONG - petrol/diesel at over a quid a litre - THATS WRONG -

To let it all go on and just accept it, maybe thats wrong. But we do? Why?

Originally Posted by hovis

she had the choice not to leave liverpool for sudan.

That's right. We all have the choice to sit at home, draw the dole, and scratch our hole.
We have other choices too. She went there to try and do something good, to teach. Some people get meaning from their lives in different ways.
Wagging your finger at them, saying told you so, is not really helpful.
Sorry Mr Schindler? You got caught saving people's lives and are now going to be tortured to death? Ahh. Well, no one forced you to save them. You broke their laws. You had the choice.

Originally Posted by SV-net

Hmmm we aint allowed to say a peep to the spouting extremists in the UK - THATS WRONG - Lashes for a child naming a teddy - THATS WRONG - TAX taken from me at 40% when I have never earned the amount for it due - THATS WRONG - petrol/diesel at over a quid a litre - THATS WRONG -

To let it all go on and just accept it, maybe thats wrong. But we do? Why?

These are small... but the ones out there are far away. Small... far away.

Emm. Riiiiight. You paying a pound a litre is not really exactly the same thing though, is it?

Originally Posted by philipMac

That's right. We all have the choice to sit at home, draw the dole, and scratch our hole.

The SV community hole?! eurgh!

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I like the point of veiw that states; "if you don't like it, sod off."

That argument probably goes the same for everyone moaning about Teddy Mohammed doesn't it?

The teacher went to that country & probably should have been a bit more clued up about local laws/customs.

Originally Posted by therealvw

From The Prime Minister of Australia. No doubt some have read this, already, but here goes.
bit long but enjoy.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.



A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament.



"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.



Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.



Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."



"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia."



"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."



"This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."



"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"



"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!"



"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."



"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."



"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.



"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."



"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

The Uk could do with learing from that 100% , i agree with that stance completly, shall we ask him to be our Priminister?? some one with the balls to not worry about other PC fluffy people and say what most people actually think.