SV650N to a Z1000?

Originally Posted by zsv650

you know what i can't be arsed as you obviously looking too argue.

Not looking to argue, just trying to find out if;

1. Ridden both and prefer 750.
2. Ridden neither and prefer 750.

Your first statement that 750 is the better bike sounded categorical. I've ridden neither so am interested in opinions based on experience.

[yorkie_chris]

Depends on the frame, I've ridden neither but would probably pick the 750 if it is in a lighter or more aggressive frame. Same reason I don't like GSXR11, too heavy and a little lazy even if the 11 does have enough torque to drive over a house.

750 is a nice balance of engine size, all the 1000cc sportsbikes just scare the living sh*te out of you whenever you look at the throttle, you can enjoy a 750 a bit more. Depends, I've read the z1000 are detuned to hell from sportsbike engine.

Test ride them both see what floats your boat.

Originally Posted by zsv650

750 probably the better bike tbh.

Absolute bollox.
If you put it into this perspective:
SV650 (It's at the budget end)- SV1000, better suspension, brakes etc
The same goes for the Z's, i currently own the Z750 and it's a far better bike than i am a rider, 1st to admit it, but this to is aimed at the budget end of the market.
The Z1000 again has a superior suspension, brakes etc, if you read the reviews for the new Z1000 it's ranked up their with some of the best nakeds around.

Copied from the Z forum.

All New Engine



Liquid-cooled, DOHC, 16-valve 1,043 cm3 In-line four offers a greater power output and stronger torque than the previous Z1000


Aggressive Styling



The new Z1000 takes the aggressive styling of its predecessor a step forward. From the sharply sloped front cowl design made possible by the new slim line-beam headlamp, to the minimalist tail section, the new Z1000 presents a very condensed, mass-forward image. This dynamic design is reinforced by the front fork covers and wide shrouds displaying intakes for the new Cool Air system.


All-new Aluminium Twin-tube Frame



The new aluminium twin-tube frame was designed specifically for the 2010 Z1000. Similar in concept to the frame of the Ninja ZX-10R, the frame beams go over engine, allowing a narrow overall construction that is easy to grip with the knees for added control.


New 5-spoke cast wheels



New 5-spoke cast wheels complement the Z1000’s sharp design. The spokes are machined near the rim edge, adding to the high-quality appearance. The machined cut-outs were purposely designed to point in the reverse direction, a design element also visible on the new engine covers.


Cool Air System



The Cool Air system routes cool air to the airbox from ducts either side of the fuel tank, minimising performance loss due to heated intake air. This should not be confused with Ram Air, where force-fed air becomes pressurised in the airbox. Positioning the ducts close to the rider allows the intake sound to be enjoyed to the full.


Fully adjustable front forks



With the addition of compression damping adjustability, the Z1000’s 41 mm inverted front forks are now fully adjustable. Settings offer both sporty performance and comfort.


Horizontal back-link



New rear suspension positions the shock unit and linkage above the swingarm. This locates the suspension far enough from the exhaust that operation will not be affected by heat. The new arrangement contributes to mass centralisation (please see below). Visible from the outside, the Horizontal Back-link contributes to the cutting edge appearance of the new Z1000. The new rear suspension eliminates the external reservoir tank, however performance is the same or better than that of the 2009 Z1000.


New adjustable instrument panel



Fully digital instrument panel features an eye-catching orange lens. The instrument panel can be angled to suit rider preference. Riders can choose from three positions with the angle easily changed without tools via an adjuster knob on the left side. Meter functions include digital speedometer, bar-style digital tachometer, odometer, two trip meters, fuel gauge, and clock.


Brakes



At the front, the Z1000’s 300 mm petal brake discs are gripped by opposed 4-piston radial-mount calipers. A radial-pump front brake master cylinder also contributes to the superb control and feel offered by the new calipers. The rear brake features a single piston, pin-slide caliper gripping a 250 mm petal disc.


Quad-style muffler



Quad-style mufflers maintain a key design element from previous models. The shorter silencer design (each 2/3 the volume of the 09MY model) allows the wheel silhouette to be seen.


LED Tail light



LED taillight design reminiscent of the original Z1000’s features red LED bulbs and a transparent lens.


Fat handlebars



New handlebar is rigid-mounted, contributing to the sharper handling. The new handlebar also looks tough, contributing a touch of bad-boy image to the Z1000’s appearance


Seat cover





Enhance the sleek, aggressive lines of your Z1000 with a colour-matched cowl for the pillion seat when you’re riding solo.

I had a 55 plater.

They go like **** off a stick, but the chassis really struggles when pushed though. If you really cane it over bumpy roads it will shake its head, the standard suspension isnt very good. Because of this it will eat rear tyres aswell.

It was pretty comfy though and I could ride mine all day long.

The only thing I hated about mine was the build quality, it really suffered riding through winter, way way more than my SV. It just rusted infront of my eyes regardless of how much I cleaned it. I would never have another Kwak again.

Ive never ridden the 750 so cant comment on that.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by cuffy

Absolute bollox.
If you put it into this perspective:
SV650 (It's at the budget end)- SV1000, better suspension, brakes etc
The same goes for the Z's, i currently own the Z750 and it's a far better bike than i am a rider, 1st to admit it, but this to is aimed at the budget end of the market.

But the 650 is a sweeter engine and chassis than the 1000 for having fun on when you sort out the budget bits.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Depends on the frame, I've ridden neither but would probably pick the 750 if it is in a lighter or more aggressive frame. Same reason I don't like GSXR11, too heavy ....etc etc.

Heavy in what respect Chris?
If a crippled bloke with half a leg can chuck it around, then I suppose anyone can

Edit, I seem to recall the convo between Monsieur Chop and Peg when we met, both had differing opinions on build quality, both used it in winter, one saw it rot, the other was like new.

[rictus01]

I know the 05 model pretty well, nice useable thou, a good step up, it can be ridden fairly gently most of the time and below 5-6k is friendly power delivery, above that it has the ability to shift a fair bit, runs out of suspention way before power would ever become an issue and likewise the standard brakes aren't of the same standard as the companies sports range, not so keen on the frame dressing plastic though, but over all a nice entry to the thou club.

although the extras sound and no doubt look pretty I'd be looking for a 636 front end, which was a popular upgrade as it sorted the weird standard one legged affair suspension out and also gives the sports bikes radial brakes.

HTH

Cheers Mark.

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

Heavy in what respect Chris?
If a crippled bloke with half a leg can chuck it around, then I suppose anyone can

Mine always seemed smaller that my SV650s. It was a tiny bike.

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[yorkie_chris]

@dizzy
The GSXR11 is a right heavy beast compared to the 750 despite the fact the engines are similar in size. Which makes the 750s so much of a better bike.

If the same applies to the kwak, not saying it does, I would take the 750.