Path to 911

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Razor

Loose Change is total rubbish. FACT!

How can you say that about what has to be one of the best 9/11 documetaries there is out there?
I found it to be a well balanced and well presented argument about all the simple questions that remain to be answered by those who are currently using what happended as a license to invade and destroy everything and anything they can attach the "terror" tag to?

I'm suprised by you razor, i did think you more open minded than to just say something is rubbish.

It is very very sad when an act of terrorism kills so many people at one time - this is also true when terrorism collectively kills many people over a period of time.

Perhaps the USA should erect a monument alongside Ground Zero to the victims of the 'organisations' that they have sponsored over the years.

Of course I may be wrong and the US never gave money to the IRA etc.

[northwind]

Controversial But true. The US govt. didn't fund the IRA from memory, but the US public- and NY and Boston in particular- sure did. Whipround for the boys...

Originally Posted by muffles

it was shot down, that's what they deny...i am probably 99% certain of this, as i know of someone who was in a position to know this at the time (i don't want to say any more, probably could, but it's not my call and wouldn't want to put myself in that situation!). The 1% is because I'll never know because i wasn't there, but i highly doubt that the person in question is lying considering that it being shot down makes sense wrt all the other evidence.

No. I dont think the shot it down. They had no orders to do this, cause the Pres was hiding under a bed somewhere, and was un-contacable, or paralysed with indecision. They need that order. Had they had done, there would have been tons of wreckage, covered in explosive residue all over the place. One person would have picked something up, and the whole deal would be over.

BUT there are other ways to take (fly by wire) planes out of the sky than missiles. Especially if you can get close to them in a plane that can generate huge amounts of electricity, like say a C130 cargo plane. If you take a plane out of the sky The only evidence left will be the black box will cut out just before the plane crashes. Along with all other electrics. In the plane, and in the immediate vacinity.

Guess what.... right beside the United plane was a C130. So close at times ATC mixed up the two planes. You have to ask why they chose that plane to track the airliner. One of the only planes they have that is: not fly by wire (ie immune to massive electro magnetic pulses), and able to generate one. Why did the black box stop working before the plane fell out of the sky? And why did people in the area report power going out just before they heard the plane hitting the ground.

Else where... yeah, a plane hit the Pentagon. I have no doubt about that. And the only cover up in the WTC is incompetence. Nothing more sinister. (In my opinon )

Originally Posted by northwind

Controversial But true. The US govt. didn't fund the IRA from memory, but the US public- and NY and Boston in particular- sure did. Whipround for the boys...

It is true. The Ra got money from the US.
Guess what else... they got money from the Soviet Union, because they were a far left orginisation.
And weapons from the Middle East. Cause they were revolutionaries trying to over throw imperialist dogs etc.
And support from the Republic. The Irish police force used the Ra as a tool to do their dirty work. (See Martin Cahill.) (The British security forces also used loyalist paramilitaries.)

It was a nasty situation.

[northwind]

I'd forgotten about Cahill... Talk about "means justifies the ends" eh...

Originally Posted by Scooby Drew

It is very very sad when an act of terrorism kills so many people at one time - this is also true when terrorism collectively kills many people over a period of time.

Perhaps the USA should erect a monument alongside Ground Zero to the victims of the 'organisations' that they have sponsored over the years.

Of course I may be wrong and the US never gave money to the IRA etc.

*Ahem* Not just the IRA. The US has sponsered loads of "Terrorists" over time. So has France. So have lots of governments.

To be fair though. What happened there was wrong and horrific. Just because there are loads of other wrong horrific things happening in the world doesnt make it less so.

Originally Posted by northwind

I'd forgotten about Cahill... Talk about "means justifies the ends" eh...

The Brits sent in some heavy hitting brothers to deal with IRA guys that they could not pin things on. I dont know.

For me, I know its wrong, and is indefensible, but... I cant help not feeling that bad about it. It is definately a very very dangerous path to walk though. I do know though that those SAS types deployed up north scared the crap out of all sorts of people.

If you want to see dubious ethics at work, look at how Spetsnaz operate. The end does justify their means. All means.