Racist slurs

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by timwilky

My sister in law is black, she always called my nephew her own son a monkey.

How would people feel about her dad known throughout the Chorley as Black Jack. yes because of his colour. Not as a racist insult. but as an quick,easy and accurate way of identifying him. As soon as you said his name, everybody would know who you were referring to. The same with the best plasterer here about. Black Dennis.

Now black jack was walking through chorley one afternoon when somebody did racially abuse him. called him a black *******. The stupid idiot was stood in a hole in the middle of the road when he shouted his insult. Jack went over and applied his boot to the side of the idiots head. Saying "I might be black, but I at least know who my father was". Yet when he has comes upto my house. I have called him exactly the same thing, to his face. but never with malicious intent. What I am trying to say and waffling too much, is the words don't matter. It is how you say them.

Tim...thats pretty much what i'm getting at too and why i've asked the original poster of this thread to explain where he's comming from.

A lot of us have explained our points of view so far but i'm dissapointed that the person who started this hasnt been back to respond yet.

Originally Posted by timwilky

What I am trying to say and waffling too much, is the words don't matter. It is how you say them.

exactly

Racism is such ********. As someone else said in this thread, "Sticks and stones...."

The race card is soooooooooo overused, and the people that use it should really get over it.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by pencil shavings

i have one black friend who is always calling me 'my nigger'. i dont take this is a rasist way, because its not, its him saying we r cool.

Thank you for that Mr Shavings - was looking to see how long till the N-word came up :P

Surely if its ok for a black person to use the word Nigger, but not ok for me as a white person to use it then surely by making me have to restrict what I sat is racist AGAINST me?

Some people are over sensitive, some are insensitive..
Most things can be put down to crossed wires, but unfortunately, not all

On the subject of nephews, mine is a little monkey, and no longer a little sh*t, cuz I got in trouble with his mummy after he kicked me in the balls...

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

But what if I called you a Valletta Monkey?
Crossed with George.

I'd take offence, my families are from Msida and St Julians, not the hellhole that is Valletta. You can call me a monkey all you like, George won't get cross

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Thank you for that Mr Shavings - was looking to see how long till the N-word came up :P

Surely if its ok for a black person to use the word Nigger, but not ok for me as a white person to use it then surely by making me have to restrict what I sat is racist AGAINST me?

ive spoken to 2 of my black friends about this, they both said they would take no offence in me calling them niggers, in the same way that i mentioned before, in a friendly way.
im sure they wud take offence if we were arguing and i used it.

people needed to not pussy-foot around the issue of race, talk to people if ur not sure on what to say or not to say.

its hard to argue that not being alowed to be rasist towards someone is being rasist towards you. i know a good few white people who call their black friends nigger. i wouldnt though.

Originally Posted by Spiderman

I think you sir are the only person who understands where i am comming from.

No, the word monkey is not racist by istelf. Add before it the words "go back to your own country you dirty, stinking" and what does it become?

These things must be in context and like i said at the begining calling a black person a name when you are angry with them can only be to offend them.
Calling a child who is playing up a silly monkey or your mate a northern monkeymeans nothing and could never be taken as intending to insult.

Abuse is abuse. To make a distinction due to a racial motivation is to be politically correct. It becomes even more politically correct when you become 'outraged' on behalf of someone else. Especially when you don't know them. Oh, and when you wern't even there.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Abuse is abuse. To make a distinction due to a racial motivation is to be politically correct. It becomes even more politically correct when you become 'outraged' on behalf of someone else. Especially when you don't know them. Oh, and when you wern't even there.

I think youve missed the point being made here.
if you called someone a monkey in a derogetary way then it is abuse, if it is done is a rasit way, and possibly a perceived rasit way, then its rasit. if you call your friend a monkey as banter, then yeah sure its abuse, but its cool, because its friendly abuse that both parties agree to.

i always take the p*** out of my friends when they do somthing wrong, insult their ability or the size of their manhood if they miss a easy goal at football. or if my guitarist plays a bum note too much ill tell him to stop w***ing so much and

do you get the difference?

Originally Posted by pencil shavings

I think youve missed the point being made here.
if you called someone a monkey in a derogetary way then it is abuse, if it is done is a rasit way, and possibly a perceived rasit way, then its rasit. if you call your friend a monkey as banter, then yeah sure its abuse, but its cool, because its friendly abuse that both parties agree to.

i always take the p*** out of my friends when they do somthing wrong, insult their ability or the size of their manhood if they miss a easy goal at football. or if my guitarist plays a bum note too much ill tell him to stop w***ing so much and

do you get the difference?

I understand the point, and I totally disagree with it.

Words have no meaning other than the message we wish to send with them. If someone says something not intended to be offensive but is percieved to be, that doesn't make that person abusive, racially or otherwise. It's a missunderstanding, and a racial element makes no difference. To say otherwise would be politically correct madness.