What was he doing wrong???

Originally Posted by Wideboy

but don't people with generally an ounce of intelligence avoid that sort of situation and keep well away, or tend to leg it if they are found in that situation

No one was allowed out. The police surrounded them and kept them there for hours whether they were protesters or people caught up in it. They then stormed forward hitting people who didn't move back. How the **** do you 'move quickly' down a street with 1000s of people?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Ed

Disturbing. No cause for murder charges though IMHO.

But all those anarchists will now complain about police brutality and one incident - serious as it is - will tarnish the reputation of the police. Generally I think the police did an excellent job in containing ugly scenes.

Brutality isn't just sticks and stones, "peacefully containing" a protest in an area with no toilets, food or water is just as brutal. And damned underhand as people trying to break out are then criminalised!

Originally Posted by Wideboy

but don't people with generally an ounce of intelligence avoid that sort of situation and keep well away, or tend to leg it if they are found in that situation

One would hope that in the case of civil disturbance, walking near to the police would be the safe bet since their whole reason to be is for the safety of the general public...

Good idea or not, doing something unwise isn't really worth getting cracked across the legs with a deadly weapon* and shoved to the deck is it?

*And yes the police would treat a baton as such if it were in the hands of joe public

[Wideboy]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

No one was allowed out. The police surrounded them and kept them there for hours whether they were protesters or people caught up in it. They then stormed forward hitting people who didn't move back. How the **** do you 'move quickly' down a street with 1000s of people?

well generally use those things called legs and move them back and forth very quickly

i don't know about anyone else but if i was in that situation i'd be staying well away from the aggression as i could, even if that means i would have to keep running about

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

No one was allowed out. The police surrounded them and kept them there for hours whether they were protesters or people caught up in it. They then stormed forward hitting people who didn't move back. How the **** do you 'move quickly' down a street with 1000s of people?

Does it appear to anyone else that the coppers are moving in line "herding" the victim towards the rest of the protest?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

*And yes the police would treat a baton as such if it were in the hands of joe public

It is considered deadly force to use a baton within the police as well...and is only used as a last course of action or if authorised to do so

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Why not - he attacked the guy who then died.

Why do we have the grey-area of Manslaughter and Murder

Did he intend to kill him? Probably not, but thats what happened.

Cop needs to lose his job, his pension and his liberty for a few years.

Oh SK. I so hope that when I'm accused of whatever, that you are not on the jury. In fact even though you are a friend (well sort of) I think you're much too prosecution minded and you'd send me down the slammer. I express surprise at Matt's views also, I thought matt you would be a bit more liberal TBH. Like me

The CPS will get a murder conviction of they prove intent to kill OR intent to cause GBH - that is 'really serious' bodily harm. I don't know the full facts, but on what I have seen I would not convict of murder on this evidence alone. There is a clear push, but I can't see that that is intent to cause GBH. But there might be enough for involuntary manslaughter.

I don't think the cop ought to lose his pension. That's just sheer malice and spite. He's worked for it, why shouldn't he have it? Next you'll be complaining about welfare benefit for his family when he's in the prison that you will have sent him to, and benefit for him when he comes out, and pension credit because he is impoverished in his old age, all because you have removed the pension he is entitled to.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Does it appear to anyone else that the coppers are moving in line "herding" the victim towards the rest of the protest?

Yup, that's the impression I got.

Originally Posted by Wideboy

well generally use those things called legs and move them back and forth very quickly

i don't know about anyone else but if i was in that situation i'd be staying well away from the aggression as i could, even if that means i would have to keep running about

I just got this vision of a giant, fluffy chicken in a bike helmet and leather jacket flapping back and forth between the police line and protesters clucking in panic.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Wideboy

but don't people with generally an ounce of intelligence avoid that sort of situation and keep well away, or tend to leg it if they are found in that situation

I work less than half a mile from the RBS building.

A building just along the road was "occupied" by protestors last Tuesday afternoon, so the Police could have included the building I am in in the Cordon, does this indicate a lack of intelligence on my part (I admit there may be other indicators however )

Thats what happened to this guy as I understand it - his "workplace" (newpaper stand) just happened to be in the cordoned area.

Originally Posted by Rai86

It is considered deadly force to use a baton within the police as well...and is only used as a last course of action or if authorised to do so

I was watching it live when the order 'move forward using your batons' came through.

I couldn't quite believe it, but it was then followed by police lashing out everywhere.

I can just see our police turning in to a homeland-military like the states.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Ed

I don't think the cop ought to lose his pension. That's just sheer malice and spite. He's worked for it, why shouldn't he have it? Next you'll be complaining about welfare benefit for his family when he's in the prison that you will have sent him to, and benefit for him when he comes out, and pension credit because he is impoverished in his old age, all because you have removed the pension he is entitled to.

Why should he?

As said by others, the Police should be BETTER than the man on the street.

The consequences of not meeting those standards should be loss of all priviledges earned/gained by service.

I also hold that members of the Police force SHOULD be treated better by both the public AND their bosses, the Government.