More Judicial Madness !! - Page 4 - SV650.org

03-08-06, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fizzwheel

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Originally Posted by nickj

Prosecuting the driver and turning them into a criminal just so that someone is to blame would benefit no-one.

I agree.

To be honest the amount of the fine miff's me off. When is our legal system going to get it into their thick heads that until you start fining people more than in this instance the cost of 3 tyres. Then people will just not bother with up keep on their vehicles because its cheaper to take the risk of getting caught because the fine would be less than the price of fixing the defective vehicle.

With this i completely agree. They should be stricter on making sure vehicles are fit for the road.

03-08-06, 09:51 PM

Maybe if this was known to be an accident blackspot where black ice forms, the council could be held at fault for not gritting the roads properly if at all.

H

03-08-06, 09:58 PM

Could it be that even with 4 perfectly good tyres he would have had the same accident due to black ice? You can't see it and can lose control very quickly.

Sid Squid · 03-08-06, 10:23 PM

The accident occurred at a left hand curve, (for the driver), on a flat road out in the sticks with good visibility, the cycles, in a large group, were taking the same curve in the opposite direction, apparently the driver only discovered that there was a lack of grip when turning the wheel and the car went straight on, crossing the other lane and passing through the group of cycles. It's perfectly normal for a driver to not know about black ice until it's too late, as the car was on a straight section immediately prior it seems, to me anyway, entirely consistant with the, (reported), drivers account.
Whether the tyre's condition made a difference I feel is unlikely, without studs or chains nothing grips on ice. If the accident investigators think the tyres weren't a factor, I don't see any alternative assumptions to their findings as being reasonable.
What's most saddening is that nowadays the concept of a genuine accident has been eroded to the point of non-existence, there's no business in no-one being blameable.

03-08-06, 10:35 PM

I say Sid, that was a pleasure to read sir. Very nice and so reasoned a view.

Red ones · 04-08-06, 05:13 AM

There is no mention of HOW bald the tyres were. Slick? 1.1mm of tread?

04-08-06, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Red ones

There is no mention of HOW bald the tyres were. Slick? 1.1mm of tread?

Probably because it was irrelevant?

04-08-06, 08:33 AM

Sounds about right to me, if you ride a bike you instantly become an axe-murdering rapist who should be hung-drawn and quartered!

Bikers will never win and these loons in the courts will never be happy till we are all off the road.

The car driver wasnt an off duty copper by any chance???

04-08-06, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aliBONG01

Sounds about right to me, if you ride a bike you instantly become an axe-murdering rapist who should be hung-drawn and quartered!

Bikers will never win and these loons in the courts will never be happy till we are all off the road.

The car driver wasnt an off duty copper by any chance???

sorry mate, I'm struggling to fine any connection between your post and this thread

04-08-06, 08:48 AM

The fact that car drivers seem to get away with everything and bikers dont.
My mates crash on Long Hill last year was the car drivers fault, we went to court to contend it (i was with him and saw what happened) my mate ended up with 6 points, £180 fine and it had to go through his insurance.

Mr BMW was on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend but it must have been our fault coz we ride bikes.

03-08-06, 10:23 PM	#34
Sid Squid No, I don't lend tools. Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Skunk Works, Nth London Posts: 8,680	The accident occurred at a left hand curve, (for the driver), on a flat road out in the sticks with good visibility, the cycles, in a large group, were taking the same curve in the opposite direction, apparently the driver only discovered that there was a lack of grip when turning the wheel and the car went straight on, crossing the other lane and passing through the group of cycles. It's perfectly normal for a driver to not know about black ice until it's too late, as the car was on a straight section immediately prior it seems, to me anyway, entirely consistant with the, (reported), drivers account. Whether the tyre's condition made a difference I feel is unlikely, without studs or chains nothing grips on ice. If the accident investigators think the tyres weren't a factor, I don't see any alternative assumptions to their findings as being reasonable. What's most saddening is that nowadays the concept of a genuine accident has been eroded to the point of non-existence, there's no business in no-one being blameable. __________________ If an SV650 has a flat tyre in the forest and no-one is there to blow it up, how long will it be 'til someone posts that the reg/rec is duff and the world will end unless a CBR unit is fitted? A little bit of knowledge = a dangerous thing. "a deathless anthem of nuclear-strength romantic angst"

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03-08-06, 09:51 PM	#32
the_runt69 Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe if this was known to be an accident blackspot where black ice forms, the council could be held at fault for not gritting the roads properly if at all. H

03-08-06, 09:58 PM	#33
DanAbnormal Guest Posts: n/a	Could it be that even with 4 perfectly good tyres he would have had the same accident due to black ice? You can't see it and can lose control very quickly.

03-08-06, 10:35 PM	#35
Peter Henry Guest Posts: n/a	I say Sid, that was a pleasure to read sir. Very nice and so reasoned a view.

04-08-06, 05:13 AM	#36
Red ones Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 1,422	There is no mention of HOW bald the tyres were. Slick? 1.1mm of tread?

04-08-06, 08:33 AM	#38
aliBONG01 Guest Posts: n/a	Sounds about right to me, if you ride a bike you instantly become an axe-murdering rapist who should be hung-drawn and quartered! Bikers will never win and these loons in the courts will never be happy till we are all off the road. The car driver wasnt an off duty copper by any chance???

04-08-06, 08:48 AM	#40
aliBONG01 Guest Posts: n/a	The fact that car drivers seem to get away with everything and bikers dont. My mates crash on Long Hill last year was the car drivers fault, we went to court to contend it (i was with him and saw what happened) my mate ended up with 6 points, £180 fine and it had to go through his insurance. Mr BMW was on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend but it must have been our fault coz we ride bikes.