SV self affirmation

Originally Posted by philbut

P.S. dyno charts for a good selection of bikes here to compare. no SV though. http://www.roadandtrack.co.uk/charts.html

I hear the torque of the SV broke the dyno...

Originally Posted by northwind

I think this goes back to the rider skill thing. Any monkey can go fast in a straight line on a race rep, so skill differences don't make that much difference here. But once you get into corners, the rider skill becoems much more important. Nothing to do with the SV really, but that's the only place a well ridden SV will really beat a badly ridden race rep so I suppose one thing leads to another.

this is the best description of my thoughts on the subject, straight line speed bores the tits off me but in the twistys the sv has more of a chance where rider ability does count and its not just letting the bhp loose. one of our riding buddys has an 04 R1, in the straights its ruddy quick but on the twistys his ability to ride the R1 isnt the same as mine i'm gone. this is where the lill 4k budget 650 it right at home and with the right rider can stand it ground.

Originally Posted by kwak zzr

this is the best description of my thoughts on the subject, straight line speed bores the tits off me but in the twistys the sv has more of a chance where rider ability does count and its not just letting the bhp loose. one of our riding buddys has an 04 R1, in the straights its ruddy quick but on the twistys his ability to ride the R1 isnt the same as mine i'm gone. this is where the lill 4k budget 650 it right at home and with the right rider can stand it ground.

It is also where the SV IS better than an R1, not becasue it handles better, but because it is so much LESS daunting to ride ... it makes riding it fater easyer ...

Point of fact …

To judge the braking point and amount of speed you need to scrub off going at 160mph is much harder than at 100mph … judging how much you can twist the tube on the corner exit is so much easier on a 60hp bike than a 160hp bike!!

For these reasons alone is why even equal riders* will probably be faster on an SV than an R1 …

*Presuming ability level is equal, but fairly low/normal

[northwind]

Ooh, I dunno. Disagree with the corner entry part since they can always ride the R1 at SV speeds if they want, and still have the better brakes and suspension on their side... Nothing makes you ride an R1 faster than an SV after all.

Originally Posted by northwind

Ooh, I dunno. Disagree with the corner entry part since they can always ride the R1 at SV speeds if they want, and still have the better brakes and suspension on their side... Nothing makes you ride an R1 faster than an SV after all.

Well there is that ... but do you see my point about the R1 demanding more respect and therefore less skillful people are probably going to be more wary of an R1 than an SV? By the same note, they might over-compensate and actually ride slower than if they were on an SV???

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

To judge the braking point and amount of speed you need to scrub off going at 160mph is much harder than at 100mph … judging how much you can twist the tube on the corner exit is so much easier on a 60hp bike than a 160hp bike!!

This is why I like having a bigger bike though, I like the extra challenge that doing all that on a bike with twice the BHP that the SV has, its harder to ride, but going at a brisk pace is much much much more involving...

I'm convinced over the same section of road, I'm quicker on my GSXR than I would be on my SV and I'd say I'm an average rider.

I reckon Liz is in some ways a better rider than me, when we are on our SV's on the same bit of road we know well I can't pull away from her and vice versa.

However we both noticed that once I got used to the GSXR, she had no hope in hell of keeping up with me over the same section of road. ( her words not mine )

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Well there is that ... but do you see my point about the R1 demanding more respect and therefore less skillful people are probably going to be more wary of an R1 than an SV? By the same note, they might over-compensate and actually ride slower than if they were on an SV???

Oh aye, I totally agree with that. People who're scared of their bikes are pretty common I reckon... But then, that's obviously rider not bike.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

This is why I like having a bigger bike though, I like the extra challenge that doing all that on a bike with twice the BHP that the SV has, its harder to ride, but going at a brisk pace is much much much more involving...

I'm convinced over the same section of road, I'm quicker on my GSXR than I would be on my SV and I'd say I'm an average rider.

I reckon Liz is in some ways a better rider than me, when we are on our SV's on the same bit of road we know well I can't pull away from her and vice versa.

However we both noticed that once I got used to the GSXR, she had no hope in hell of keeping up with me over the same section of road. ( her words not mine )

'Tameing' a sportsbike is indeed a different challenge to trying to make an SV go fast!! And rewarding in its own ways, frustrating in others

You are obviously above the skill threshold where one is so intimidated by the 'better' bike they go slower ...

Originally Posted by northwind

Oh aye, I totally agree with that. People who're scared of their bikes are pretty common I reckon... But then, that's obviously rider not bike.

Yep, but point is that under some circumstances a 'same-skill' rider might well be slower when straddling a 1000cc monster!! Its just something to think about ... its not a given that same-skill riders will always be faster on a 'better' bike ...

Reminds me of an article I read in a biking magazine a while ago. They took riders of different abilities, brand new rider (Just passed test) fairly experience rider, and superstar rider and put them on the lastest bikes out. From memory er6, gsx-r 1000, and triumph rocket. Interestingly enough the new rider said he prefered the gixxer, due to the fact that the bike felt the most capable and would keep him out of trouble. IIRC the middle rider didn't like the gixer, he felt it was too much bike ....

meh, people should ride what they like

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

You are obviously above the skill threshold where one is so intimidated by the 'better' bike they go slower ...

Oh I dont know about that... I've just never felt it intimidating, I've never felt any bike intimidating, when I felt I was going to fast, I just rolled the throttle off again till I was back at a speed I felt more comfortable with..