So then, this Griffin muppet...

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Ch00

About £100,000 and 300 police officers so one London paper claims

So in reality it'll be more like £1k and 3 PSCOs...

Originally Posted by Warthog

Abu Hamza was actively inciting terrorism, inciting people to rise up and kill infidels. Nick Griffin just wants to evict non-white people. So long as what you are saying isn't a crime, then you can say it.

yeah I stated that, but my point is, and I'm not sure if Nick Griffins has personally been convicted of, but certainly members of his party have, inciting racial hatred. Was just wondering what peoples views were on Abu hamza or whatever his name is ddoing the same?

just some cats and pigeons...

My 2 penneth,

Lets lay down some facts.

Talking or being concerned about immigration, aslyum or economic in this country is not racist.

Immigration has spriralled out of control in this country since 1997.

Immigration does unnaturally increase the population, therefore putting a strain on our services, fire, police, nhs, schooling, housing, transport network.

This country does not have the infastructure to support the population levels we have now, let alone in 5 years time.
We have absolutely no control on immigration whatsoever, i watched a police program a while back and immigrants were picked up on the side of a road after smuggling across the channel in the back of a lorry, what did they do, let them go and told them to make their way themselves to the immigration centre, guess what? they didnt turn up.

Asylum, why if people are being persecuted in their own countries dont they take the nearest country that come to, i'll tell you why because the benefit system here for asylum seekers is the most welcoming.

The people that deny migrant workers take uk jobs are dilusional, its simple maths, less people more opportunities.

My wife works in the NHS and a few years ago it was spending more on foreign recruitment in the phillipines etc than it would cost to train home grown nurses to do the same jobs.
They were also given accommodation FOC.

I feel sometimes like an alien in this country, our concerns are not being addressed yet ethnic cultures are being catered for on all levels.

This is my opinion, its not practical to get rid of all non whites as BNP wanna do, there are a lot of black and asian people who are decent hard working people whom i have no problem with but the BNP do.
My probelm is with expanding population, free loaders (whites included), Pc brigade etc.
If you wanna come into this country, learn the language, learn our customs, abide by our laws, support yourself financially, dont try to take over and instill all your customs on the country that is allowing you a place to stay.

I think Nick griffin has some valid points regarding this country and a lot i dont agree with, but i know one thing, if we dont do something soon we wont have a country left because the main parties wont do anything for fear of being branded racist.
BTW, im not a racist.

Rant over

[Spiderman]

Special one.... you make some vary valid points there as well as some that seem to be more media induced than real.

Either way tho, i can see why the BNP get votes in certain areas and i certainly dont think that everyone who votes for them does so cos they are racist or bogotted, they do so cos the BNP are the only party who wants to actively talk about the issues that face folks today.

All the other major parties want to gloss over it all by using statistics to prove whatever it is they want them to prove and thus not get into a debate over these issues.

The main point you raise that hits home with me (as a foreigner who's family came here in 1978 seeking asylum, so i know it from both sides of the fence) is the need to come to the UK and not the nearest country to them.
There is apparently a law already in place that says that those seeking asylum (as opposed to those simply emigrating for work or whatever) from their own despotic/war torn/ evil and oppressive regimes should be taken in by the first country they enter into. But as you say most of those other european countires treat them so badly* compared to the treatment they get here that they all desperately travel across most of europe to plot up on this little island like its fekin Utopia or something.

*badly = expect the to live by the rules of that country with little by way of tollerance for those who wont blend into their new home. Very few other countries allow, for example the building of new mosques to cater for the religious. Look at France as an example, they banned the wearing of ANY religious iconorgaphy in their schools, for one reason only "school is an institution and place for one thing, learning" And by creating visual barriers of religion you bring about other influences other than simply learning, you bring about division, segregation and ultimately for some hostility.

Anyway i could prattle on about this for hours but i wont. Be an interesting show tonight hopefully and since i'll be out at the time i cant wait to see it when i get in.

me not understand !?!!!

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

The main point you raise that hits home with me (as a foreigner who's family came here in 1978 seeking asylum, so i know it from both sides of the fence) is the need to come to the UK and not the nearest country to them.
There is apparently a law already in place that says that those seeking asylum (as opposed to those simply emigrating for work or whatever) from their own despotic/war torn/ evil and oppressive regimes should be taken in by the first country they enter into. But as you say most of those other european countires treat them so badly* compared to the treatment they get here that they all desperately travel across most of europe to plot up on this little island like its fekin Utopia or something.

*badly = expect the to live by the rules of that country with little by way of tollerance for those who wont blend into their new home. Very few other countries allow, for example the building of new mosques to cater for the religious. Look at France as an example, they banned the wearing of ANY religious iconorgaphy in their schools, for one reason only "school is an institution and place for one thing, learning" And by creating visual barriers of religion you bring about other influences other than simply learning, you bring about division, segregation and ultimately for some hostility.

Anyway i could prattle on about this for hours but i wont. Be an interesting show tonight hopefully and since i'll be out at the time i cant wait to see it when i get in.

You seem to undermine your own argument there Spidey. No asylum seeker NEEDS to come here for the reasons you give. An asylum seeker should surely apply for asylum in the first friendly country that they arrive in and this is a rule for granting asylum. As soon as they decide not to apply for asylum in France (to use your example) but carry on to the UK, they become economic migrants. That's not to say they should not be granted residency if they have skills we need, but they are not an assylum seeker at this point.

Looks ike he's already getting a well prepared welcome at the BBC currently

Just hope there can be some sort of genuine debate - not a stage managed slanging match.

when's it on gonna watch it as he has some good point's nobody else has the ball's to mention or tackle.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Luckypants

You seem to undermine your own argument there Spidey. No asylum seeker NEEDS to come here for the reasons you give. An asylum seeker should surely apply for asylum in the first friendly country that they arrive in and this is a rule for granting asylum. As soon as they decide not to apply for asylum in France (to use your example) but carry on to the UK, they become economic migrants. That's not to say they should not be granted residency if they have skills we need, but they are not an assylum seeker at this point.

Ok to clarify my own situation....when we first came here life was good and money was plentifull. The wisdom in those days was that if you wanted your kids to get a great education you sent them to public school or boading school in england. We came here with that idea and bought a house etc.
then a bunch of friggin religious fanatic loons took over our country and ousted the previous guy and we were kinda stuck. No money allowed out the country, family getting killed in droves and their land and possesions being stolen. So we had to stay and seek asylum.

Sorry i didnt wanna go into that much detail cos i find as i get older this episode bothers me more and more than it ever did.
Anyway, there you have it. Then i got bit by a radioactive spider and hell we all know the rest dont we.