your views if you will

I've been trying to provoke some thought and not just reaction, unfortunately I only seem to have done the later.

I don't think people are on the same wavelength as me. They seem to misinterpret what I'm saying. Perhaps I'm just sh*t at communicating.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by madness

I've been trying to provoke some thought and not just reaction, unfortunately I only seem to have done the later.

I don't think people are on the same wavelength as me. They seem to misinterpret what I'm saying. Perhaps I'm just sh*t at communicating.

Sorry could you repeat that?

[anna]

I am against the death penalty.

I actually understand what madness is saying here, paedophilia is like homosexuality; it is a different sexual orientation.

Are Homosexuals wrong for their sexual orientation, no!

Paedophilia was actually a widely acceptable sexual orientation not so long ago here either. (I am not stating it is correct merely that it was acceptable not so long ago, and so understand the points made above.)

I do hate how people are quick to say that death or torture would be on behalf of the victim. How in any way is a death penalty going to take back what has been done, or help them move forward.

I understand the point that having them not able to do it again, and agree that this should be the first priority. However, should the victim at any point in their lives wish to discuss it or see their own attacker to be able to have closure for themselves (not that they would want to, but just to have the choice to) they would be unable to.

I also think that parents are understandably quick to use their emotive responses in this discussion; however, paedophilia is a very base emotion too.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by anna

I also think that parents are understandably quick to use their emotive responses in this discussion; however, paedophilia is a very base emotion too.

I spose leaving a toddler to die in the desert will be excusable next. Cos its a "base emotion" to kill kids too is it?

If paedophilia is genetic, all the more reason to weed it out of the gene pool. But that aint what gets me. It's the callousness of abandoning a defenceless child knowing damn well it will die slowly. There's no genetic excuse for that - its just pure evil.

Originally Posted by ophic

I spose leaving a toddler to die in the desert will be excusable next. Cos its a "base emotion" to kill kids too is it?

If paedophilia is genetic, all the more reason to weed it out of the gene pool. But that aint what gets me. It's the callousness of abandoning a defenceless child knowing damn well it will die slowly. There's no genetic excuse for that - its just pure evil.

I think we need to get away from this word "genetic". It is not genetic in the sense that it will passed from one generation to another.

Yes, I am a firm believer it is a sexual orientation but I dont think that we can compare it to homosexuality. Homosexuality is USUALLY between two consenting parties. Paedophilia is not.

If we do not go with sentencing these people to death, then they must be locked up for the rest of their lives. They do not change. That has been proven over the years. They have tried castration. Chemical castration, mental health treatments, rehab etc etc etc and none of it has worked in the majority of cases.

If these people get let out then usually they will reoffend. That is another child which could have been protected if society had looked after them properly.

when i was 14 a 40+ yr old man who i considered to be a friend attempted to abuse me nothing very serious i grant you but it scared the life out of me and fortnuately i was strong enough to fight him off it really screwed my head up for a long time and my parents going through a messy divorce didnt help matters as i didnt feel i could burden them with it and kept it to myself, it was 3 years later i heard a rumour he had done a similar thing to another young lad i couldnt live with the guilt i had not done anything when i had the chance and did something very stupid that im not prepared to announce on a public forum but suffice to say it resulted in me spending a week in hospital, i then realised that maybe i could do something and i walked into the local police station and told them, after 3 or 4 months of waiting to find out what was happening the police told me they wernt taking it any further this person got away scot free with what he did to me and what he has done to the other lad i heard about and god knows how many others, i regularly see him in the local town knowing hes laughing behind my back because he got away with it and the police belived him over me, worst of all i was warned by the investigating officer if any harm came to him my door would be first they come to,

do i agree these people should be killed? hell yeah burn the *******s at the stake one mans actions caused my life to take a downward spiral for a long time why should they be able to walk free?

people like that have no place in this world, when i have kids if anything were to happen to them my kids would spend the rest of their childhood with their dad behind bars but there would be one less of those filthy scumbags walking the streets.

[anna]

Originally Posted by ophic

I spose leaving a toddler to die in the desert will be excusable next. Cos its a "base emotion" to kill kids too is it?

If paedophilia is genetic, all the more reason to weed it out of the gene pool. But that aint what gets me. It's the callousness of abandoning a defenceless child knowing damn well it will die slowly. There's no genetic excuse for that - its just pure evil.

I in no way condoned or excused the behaviour in my post. I am sorry if you read it to be that I was.

I was pointing out that acting on "base instincts" isn´t always correct.

[Lissa]

Originally Posted by mkz9876

when i was 14 a 40+ yr old man who i considered to be a friend attempted to abuse me nothing very serious i grant you but it scared the life out of me and fortnuately i was strong enough to fight him off it really screwed my head up for a long time and my parents going through a messy divorce didnt help matters as i didnt feel i could burden them with it and kept it to myself, it was 3 years later i heard a rumour he had done a similar thing to another young lad i couldnt live with the guilt i had not done anything when i had the chance and did something very stupid that im not prepared to announce on a public forum but suffice to say it resulted in me spending a week in hospital, i then realised that maybe i could do something and i walked into the local police station and told them, after 3 or 4 months of waiting to find out what was happening the police told me they wernt taking it any further this person got away scot free with what he did to me and what he has done to the other lad i heard about and god knows how many others, i regularly see him in the local town knowing hes laughing behind my back because he got away with it and the police belived him over me, worst of all i was warned by the investigating officer if any harm came to him my door would be first they come to,

do i agree these people should be killed? hell yeah burn the *******s at the stake one mans actions caused my life to take a downward spiral for a long time why should they be able to walk free?

people like that have no place in this world, when i have kids if anything were to happen to them my kids would spend the rest of their childhood with their dad behind bars but there would be one less of those filthy scumbags walking the streets.

What a brave post. Well done, mkz, and I am so sorry that your courage in speaking to the police was a waste of time.

Originally Posted by mkz9876

when i was 14 a 40+ yr old man who i considered to be a friend attempted to abuse me nothing very serious i grant you but it scared the life out of me and fortnuately i was strong enough to fight him off it really screwed my head up for a long time and my parents going through a messy divorce didnt help matters as i didnt feel i could burden them with it and kept it to myself, it was 3 years later i heard a rumour he had done a similar thing to another young lad i couldnt live with the guilt i had not done anything when i had the chance and did something very stupid that im not prepared to announce on a public forum but suffice to say it resulted in me spending a week in hospital, i then realised that maybe i could do something and i walked into the local police station and told them, after 3 or 4 months of waiting to find out what was happening the police told me they wernt taking it any further this person got away scot free with what he did to me and what he has done to the other lad i heard about and god knows how many others, i regularly see him in the local town knowing hes laughing behind my back because he got away with it and the police belived him over me, worst of all i was warned by the investigating officer if any harm came to him my door would be first they come to,

do i agree these people should be killed? hell yeah burn the *******s at the stake one mans actions caused my life to take a downward spiral for a long time why should they be able to walk free?

people like that have no place in this world, when i have kids if anything were to happen to them my kids would spend the rest of their childhood with their dad behind bars but there would be one less of those filthy scumbags walking the streets.

Please don't think the Police believed him over you! Unfortunately this happens all too often. It is very difficult to get enough evidence in a historical report of these kinds of things.

It does come down to his word against yours but it doesn't mean that the Police don't believe you, just that they can't get enough evidence to report or charge the offender.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience but because you have put that report down on paper, there is always the chance that someone else will come forward with a similar story as you about this guy and then the Police will hopefully reinvestigate your case.

Originally Posted by Lissa

What a brave post. Well done, mkz, and I am so sorry that your courage in speaking to the police was a waste of time.

its only the fact that nobody on here knows me personaly that made me able to post that, to this day the majority of people around me dont know about it, i still have major trust issues because of it and still occasionaly go off the rails usually after seeing him in town but the point i was trying to make was that what happened to me was very minor in the great scheme of things i'd wager there are probably half a dozen visitors at least to this forum alone that have been through much much worse, although it was minor it still makes me feel sick to my stomach when i see him and sends me off the rails for a few days, i dont even need to tell the missus if i have seen him she twigs straight away whats up,

so what i am saying is that from the other side of the fence knowing there is a high chance of you bumping into the person that caused you a lot issues (for want of a better exspression) its incredibly difficult and knowing that person is now working in a leisure center is even harder,

not posting any of this for my benefit or sympathy just trying to explain how it is from the other side of the fence, hopefully it might provoke a bit of thought as to the knock on effects of these people walking free