Going down with the ship... (Censorship in the UK)

[flymo]

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

I can see your point.

I am also against people making money off of that kind of activity - no one gets rich from Torrent Trackers - and any money made is from selling Advertising.

Heres something to try, go to www.google.com.

In the search box, type (without the "s) "Men In Black 3 filetype=torrent"

Click on "search"

Google has now just done for you what ThePirateBay would have, and they also just made some money from advertising.

You or I may "save" money by downloading a film or music, but we probably would not have spent that money on it anyway, I have folders and folders of original Games, DVDs and CDs that prove that if I value you something enough I will buy it.

However, surely, instead of getting stroppy, what they should be doing is seeing the gap in the market and then having a superior product produced at a similar or better price point and shoving your Mobile-Phone filmed effort aside?

ie, do something for the money, not just argue that they are entitled to it?

sadly I don't think that copyright law sees it in quite that way.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by flymo

sadly I don't think that copyright law sees it in quite that way.

Then instead of making us all criminals, maybe copyright should be re-formed.

And I dont mean in the way it usually is that means that Justin Beibers kids will be living it large off of his royalties.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Then instead of making us all criminals, maybe copyright should be re-formed.

And I dont mean in the way it usually is that means that Justin Beibers kids will be living it large off of his royalties.

To some extent I agree with that, and in my view that is what we must push for.

Originally Posted by Spank86

So do chefs and fashion designers, yet it is perfectly legal to knock up an exact replica of one of their dishes or dresses and I don't think many people would argue it shouldn't be?

A chef could design the most amazing dish in history but anyone is then free to recreate it down to the smallest detail, to create a perfect copy if their skill allows and yet the chef never gets a penny unless he makes the dish and sells it himself (or is hired to do so).

Bad example. That's like saying any of us could recreate a song by an artist by copying every note played and sung, which we could do legally, just as we could make a copy of a chefs cake. If we then tried to sell it under the same name as the real thing, this would be illegal in both cases.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by Spank86

So do chefs and fashion designers, yet it is perfectly legal to knock up an exact replica of one of their dishes or dresses and I don't think many people would argue it shouldn't be?

A chef could design the most amazing dish in history but anyone is then free to recreate it down to the smallest detail, to create a perfect copy if their skill allows and yet the chef never gets a penny unless he makes the dish and sells it himself (or is hired to do so).

That's true, but then the recipes that make the big bucks are closely guarded and sold as products. If it were possible to copyright combinations of food ingredients then I'm sure it would have been done already.

Look at what's happening in the tech industry at the moment, they are patenting gesture controls for god's sake. It's crazy, but real.

Re-dress the cooking example a little and consider drugs formulae. Then we are moving closer to copyright in the content industry. Combinations of chemicals are defined in a licence along with patents to a particular formula. The drugs industry would argue that they have spent millions on research to get to that point. There are some interesting ethical dilemma that result, is it acceptable to patent a skin lotion but then what about a life saving drug that is needed in developing countries?

Originally Posted by Appelhanns

Bad example. That's like saying any of us could recreate a song by an artist by copying every note played and sung, which we could do legally, just as we could make a copy of a chefs cake. If we then tried to sell it under the same name as the real thing, this would be illegal in both cases.

No you can't, take the verve and bitter sweet symphony, they wound up giving most of their royalties to the rolling stones.

Bands do get away with it but it's just as illegal in the laws eyes ad you downloading the song. If you copy every note exactly or even badly and sell it without permission or paying royalties then you're up in court whatever means you use to copy it.

[SoulKiss]

Lets ditch copyright completely.

After all, with 3d printing on its way to the mainstream, its just going to get even more complicated.

Patents, well reform them so they actually work/protect things with merit.

As for everything else, come up with a better product, or a better price and let the people decide.

For Music that means bands performing there work.

For Movies, that means cheap, official versions that price the Pirates out of the market, and the need to make going to the Cinema an experience people want to have. Maybe that means that Movie Actors dont earn enough to have their own runways, hangers and 747 jets at their home, but hey, Travolta's over pail anyway, especially if he can spend all that money on his "religion"

Originally Posted by flymo

That's true, but then the recipes that make the big bucks are closely guarded and sold as products. If it were possible to copyright combinations of food ingredients then I'm sure it would have been done already.
?

The question isn't could it be, it's should it be.


The law COULD make anything copyright able, but should it?

As for drugs, that I believe is patents not copyright and lasts for a lot less time? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Cost me over £10 to see a 3d movie the other day.

That seems like a hell of a lot to pay for an inferior experience to sitting in my living room.

When I'm at home I'm close to the food, the loo, my pc, can leave my phone on, pause the viewing and don't have to be subjected to over 30mins of adverts.

Also the influx of noisy/smelly people is strictly controlled and I know what all the stains on my sofa are from.

In essence the only real thing I'm getting is shoddy 3d and being allowed to watch the film a bit sooner.

No wonder people would rather pirate.

Originally Posted by Spank86

No you can't, take the verve and bitter sweet symphony, they wound up giving most of their royalties to the rolling stones.

Bands do get away with it but it's just as illegal in the laws eyes ad you downloading the song. If you copy every note exactly or even badly and sell it without permission or paying royalties then you're up in court whatever means you use to copy it.

Ok, take out the "selling under the same name" and replace with "making any sort of money from it" and you will see that that is what i said. I was trying to show that the example of being able to copy a recipe is the same as recreating a song, both being legal. It's when you go on to sell it that it becomes illegal.