mating a 1000 to a 650 frame. - SV650.org

12-05-06, 02:29 AM

i know its possible with the right amount of time/money, but i was wondering what the actual dimensions and mounting positions were. i can fabricate so that isnt an issue, just looking to see how big of an undertaking it will be to do this and do it correctly without significantly altering the geometry of the bike and its handling characteristics. im new to Kx terminology, i have a 2001 650s, id like to go to the 1000 to get that little bump in power but have my affections for my current bike (plus i can get the motor, computer, and harness very cheap from a wrecking yard close by) and also switch to fuel injection.

all help is greatly appreciated.
-Ken

21QUEST · 12-05-06, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneakin Deacon

...... just looking to see how big of an undertaking it will be to do this ........ .
-Ken

Very BIG.
Loads of fabrication/cutting etc involved. IMO not worth it even for just the fun of doing it

.

Cheers
Ben

rictus01 · 12-05-06, 06:37 AM

you're effectively talking about building a TLS, the motor is wider on both the heads and bottom end, a lot heavier to, so it's not just fabricating mounts, you'd have to cut away the SV frame

, then you're left with strength issues.

Although I've looked at a couple of Ducati 916 style / TL engine transplants, I think the work involved would be far to costly, you'd do better selling up and getting a TL.

Cheers Mark.

northwind · 12-05-06, 09:55 AM

Lester Harris says "It'd be wasier to build a new ****ing frame" apparently

12-05-06, 10:42 AM

Is the SV1000S not the same frame but with bigger engine then?

BoltonSte · 12-05-06, 11:10 AM

The TLs engine is bigger but has narrower mounts so will fit "in" the frame, will still need a lot of work including some to the tank as the cylinder offset is the opposite on the TL than the SV.

Pipework issues also.

Frame cutting/mounts.

Ste

12-05-06, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muffles

Is the SV1000S not the same frame but with bigger engine then?

No, almost everything on the SV1000 is different to the 650.

12-05-06, 01:50 PM

well thank you all for the heads up, im not willing to actually cut into the frame...weld to it sure, but not cut it.

also, im from the US, not sure what wasier means.

rictus01 · 12-05-06, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneakin Deacon

weld to it sure, .

You do know it's an alu/alloy frame, you can't get away with just normal welding.

Cheers Mark.

12-05-06, 02:20 PM

imo!
go for it!
seen one in streetfighters mag and i rekon if money wernt an issue id do it straight away!
curvy sv looks best and with a 1000 engine in it would be even better.
though you will have to cut the frame and make new engine mounts...a lot of work! but who else has one?
ok one that i know of! but still wont be the same old rubbish you see on the roads now!

" oooo i have the new gsxr 1000"...."yeah mate...well done...so do a thousand others!"

individuality rules!

be a leader! not a follower!

12-05-06, 02:29 AM	#1
Sneakin Deacon Guest Posts: n/a	mating a 1000 to a 650 frame. i know its possible with the right amount of time/money, but i was wondering what the actual dimensions and mounting positions were. i can fabricate so that isnt an issue, just looking to see how big of an undertaking it will be to do this and do it correctly without significantly altering the geometry of the bike and its handling characteristics. im new to Kx terminology, i have a 2001 650s, id like to go to the 1000 to get that little bump in power but have my affections for my current bike (plus i can get the motor, computer, and harness very cheap from a wrecking yard close by) and also switch to fuel injection. all help is greatly appreciated. -Ken

12-05-06, 06:37 AM	#3
rictus01 Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South London Posts: 9,799	you're effectively talking about building a TLS, the motor is wider on both the heads and bottom end, a lot heavier to, so it's not just fabricating mounts, you'd have to cut away the SV frame , then you're left with strength issues. Although I've looked at a couple of Ducati 916 style / TL engine transplants, I think the work involved would be far to costly, you'd do better selling up and getting a TL. Cheers Mark. __________________ Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow! What a Ride!

12-05-06, 09:55 AM	#4
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	Lester Harris says "It'd be wasier to build a new ****ing frame" apparently __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

12-05-06, 11:10 AM	#6
BoltonSte Member Mega Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Back in Bolton Posts: 1,010	The TLs engine is bigger but has narrower mounts so will fit "in" the frame, will still need a lot of work including some to the tank as the cylinder offset is the opposite on the TL than the SV. Pipework issues also. Frame cutting/mounts. Ste __________________ Had an SV or three. Street triple R - gone but not forgotten. Now trying the lunacy that is KTM with a Superduke GT. for the pillion capability of course.

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12-05-06, 10:42 AM	#5
muffles Guest Posts: n/a	Is the SV1000S not the same frame but with bigger engine then?

12-05-06, 01:50 PM	#8
Sneakin Deacon Guest Posts: n/a	well thank you all for the heads up, im not willing to actually cut into the frame...weld to it sure, but not cut it. also, im from the US, not sure what wasier means.

12-05-06, 02:20 PM	#10
socommk23 Guest Posts: n/a	imo! go for it! seen one in streetfighters mag and i rekon if money wernt an issue id do it straight away! curvy sv looks best and with a 1000 engine in it would be even better. though you will have to cut the frame and make new engine mounts...a lot of work! but who else has one? ok one that i know of! but still wont be the same old rubbish you see on the roads now! " oooo i have the new gsxr 1000"...."yeah mate...well done...so do a thousand others!" individuality rules! be a leader! not a follower!