Cold starting problem. carb heaters?

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by peahead

got any info on sorting this out, even if it is this, but above it says k4s dont have a choke or something

As I said above, K3 onwards bikes does not have carbs on it as its fuel injected. It has throttle bodies instead which dont work the same way. Your leading yourself up the wrong path by worrying about this its not what your problem is being caused by IMHO.

Sounds to me like your alarm is f*cked, does it have an imobiliser on it ? If so that might be whats stopping the fuel rail from priming which is why IMHO your bike isnt starting because no fuel is getting into the cylinders.

You'ev ruled the battery out, but at this point if it turns over but wont fire then even a duff regulator isnt going to stop it starting at this point if the battery is fully charged IMHO.

If your not mechnical and with respect by the sounds of it your not then I dont think your gonig to solve this by yourself. Instead of clutching at straws I think your going to have to take it somewhere and get it looked at.

I appreciate you dont want to and it can be expensive, but you either want it fixed or you dont and without having the bike in front of you its hard to diagnose problems and I'm not an experienced enough mechanic to advise you further.

You could try dropping a PM to Rictus01 or Sid Squid or Spannerman and see if one of them can help you further.

HTH

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

As I said above, K3 onwards bikes does not have carbs on it as its fuel injected. It has throttle bodies instead which dont work the same way. Your leading yourself up the wrong path by worrying about this its not what your problem is being caused by IMHO.

Sounds to me like your alarm is f*cked, does it have an imobiliser on it ? If so that might be whats stopping the fuel rail from priming which is why IMHO your bike isnt starting because no fuel is getting into the cylinders.

You'ev ruled the battery out, but at this point if it turns over but wont fire then even a duff regulator isnt going to stop it starting at this point if the battery is fully charged IMHO.

If your not mechnical and with respect by the sounds of it your not then I dont think your gonig to solve this by yourself. Instead of clutching at straws I think your going to have to take it somewhere and get it looked at.

I appreciate you dont want to and it can be expensive, but you either want it fixed or you dont and without having the bike in front of you its hard to diagnose problems and I'm not an experienced enough mechanic to advise you further.

You could try dropping a PM to Rictus01 or Sid Squid or Spannerman and see if one of them can help you further.

HTH

thanks for you help so far mate

ok so if it is my alarm/immobiliser is there any way to bypass it without causing permenent dammage, jus so i can start my bike and see ya kno wht i mean

and yeah your probley right, i should take it in somewhere, probley at the weekend if i have the time and money

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by peahead

ok so if it is my alarm/immobiliser is there any way to bypass it without causing permenent dammage, jus so i can start my bike and see ya kno wht i mean

You have a meta alarm dont you ? You should have a red code card somewhere that will have the PIN number on it that you need to key into the alarm to deactivate the alarm.

I cant remember the exact sequence but it should be in the instruction manual if you have one, or it might be on their website.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

You have a meta alarm dont you ? You should have a red code card somewhere that will have the PIN number on it that you need to key into the alarm to deactivate the alarm.

I cant remember the exact sequence but it should be in the instruction manual if you have one, or it might be on their website.

yeah i have a red card, but i kno this goin sound stupid but i dont kno where my alarm is located ha (im useless) should be under the seat or sumthin yeah? but then again i cant say ive seen it, ill look on the internet find wht it looks like then have a ganders

thanks for the rapid response just finished work and straight bakc to this NICE ONE

jus found this just reading now

http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315264

if u want to check it

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by peahead

yeah i have a red card, but i kno this goin sound stupid but i dont kno where my alarm is located ha (im useless) should be under the seat or sumthin yeah? but then again i cant say ive seen it, ill look on the internet find wht it looks like then have a ganders

thanks for the rapid response just finished work and straight bakc to this NICE ONE

It'll depend on the fitter as to where the alarm is, normally the control module is hidden away so its not easy to remove. Sometimes this might be under the pillion seat so thats the first place to look.

If you have the card then you should be sorted. You dont need to actually touch the alarm to disable it. It involves pressing the button on the keyfob and turning the ignition off and on a certain number of times on the Meta

if you get really stuck I have one on my GSXR I'll dig on the instruction manual and post the details of what to do if that helps.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by peahead

jus found this just reading now

http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315264

if u want to check it

I woudlnt be doing that till I was certain it was the alarm thats causing the problem especially if I didnt know what I was doing.

Find the instructions and disable the alarm before you start messing with the wiring.

Have you got a spare keyfob ? If so try that it might be the battery is flat in the one you are using.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

I woudlnt be doing that till I was certain it was the alarm thats causing the problem especially if I didnt know what I was doing.

Find the instructions and disable the alarm before you start messing with the wiring.

Have you got a spare keyfob ? If so try that it might be the battery is flat in the one you are using.

right i have the keyfob, i have the code how do i do it lol

big thanks to u sir for all this help

Originally Posted by peahead

big thanks to u sir for all this help

right i jus found on the net how to dissarm but pfft tried it 6million times am i doin something wrong

Disarming with secure PIN number

• All systems are supplied with a random 5-figure PIN number. This number is printed on the orange remote control code card.
KEEP PIN NUMBER SAFE* as it also required to code additional remote controls (dealer function).

• Familiarise yourself with this procedure.
• Turn the ignition on (the LED will be on)
1 Turn the ignition off within 10s (the LED will flash with an even sequence)
2 Turn the ignition on when the LED has flashed the number of times corresponding to the first digit of the override code
3 Turn the ignition off within 10s (the LED starts a new flash sequence)
4 Turn the ignition on when the LED has flashed the number of times corresponding to the second digit of the override code
5 Continue with this procedure until the entering of the fifth digit.
6 When the fifth digit has entered, if the code is correct, the system disarms.
Warning If an incorrect code is entered 3 times, the system will block all further attempts for 30 minutes. Leave ignition off for this period then re-enter correct code. If the alarm is armed, the system will be sounding during this procedure.

----- for a start when i turn the ignition on it is not on, should i have a permenent light or what. it flashes when the alarm in on and dont even turn on when it aint armed

and will this disarm my immobiliser aswell